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Jan

2006

Cest Moi

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Norne said :
Cest Moi said :
B I N G O !!!

you leave the farmers dog out of this!

My "Bingo" was a short way of agreeing with Scouse 's post. However, I do agree with you that it was only something a dog would do.
An FMod created a flame thread which was a lure in order to ban people from forums if they dared to contradict said FMod. The thread was quickly locked and deleted before I could take screenie of it and the FMod was never held to task.

I was not the only casualty.

I agree with OP that people have moved away from RS Forums.
Cesty

09-Nov-2016 11:23:24

Lumine

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Cest Moi said :
the FMod was never held to task.

How do you know? A erring FMod wouldn't normally have their knuckles rapped in public. They might have been flamed to ashes (or the more professional equivalent) by a JMod behind the scenes, and you wouldn't have any way of knowing.

If the thread was actually deleted, that sounds like there was a swift JMod intervention to me. So there might well have been some less-than-comfortable discussion with said FMod as well.

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09-Nov-2016 11:46:17

Jan

2006

Cest Moi

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Lumine said :
Cest Moi said :
the FMod was never held to task.

How do you know? A erring FMod wouldn't normally have their knuckles rapped in public. They might have been flamed to ashes (or the more professional equivalent) by a JMod behind the scenes, and you wouldn't have any way of knowing.

If the thread was actually deleted, that sounds like there was a swift JMod intervention to me. So there might well have been some less-than-comfortable discussion with said FMod as well.

Nope !! Other threads were created and the subject continued for a week. That FMod continued flame baiting and was not held to task as it stated it was posting as a free spirit as it was allowed to do even tho it had green !!! freedom of speech for FMods!

Anyway, I don't care. But others seem to have a need for forum'ing and the banter should be equal but it never will be.

Being a member of a clan does offer its benefits for answering questions and getting help when needed. Perhaps make forum'ing
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bsolete even . Specially the RS
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Cesty

09-Nov-2016 11:59:45

Jan

2012

Norne

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Stupid slow internet "When history witnesses a great change, Razgriz reveals itself... first, as a dark demon. As a demon, it uses its power to rain death upon the land, and then it dies. However, after a period of slumber, Razgriz returns, this time, as a great hero"

09-Nov-2016 14:37:49 - Last edited on 09-Nov-2016 14:38:27 by Norne

Jan

2012

Norne

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You don't even have freedom of speech, fmods who are supported by the company and thus represent or can appear to, certainly won't be getting what even you don't have.

Though I am reminded that simply because you are free to say anything you like, does not mean there not consequences for saying it. You can shout racist epithets in Harlem about black people, it by no means you won't regret that in minutes. Here on a private forum you have no such freedom and still the consequences.

I also seriously doubt a fmod who kept breaking guidelines let alone rules would last. We've been demodded for less. One person was removed for breaking a simple rule but once! "When history witnesses a great change, Razgriz reveals itself... first, as a dark demon. As a demon, it uses its power to rain death upon the land, and then it dies. However, after a period of slumber, Razgriz returns, this time, as a great hero"

09-Nov-2016 14:37:51

Jul

2019

Wilf

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Lumine said :

Which I can assure you he does. His modding decisions are just about always right. Just because the person actioned was annoyed by the fact that he did it or the tone he used when doing it doesn't mean the action itself was wrong.

There in lies part of the problem for me I've complained about plenty of my posts being hidden despite me knowing that the mod was perfectly allowed to do so by the rules. I'd say in the vast majority of the cases the CM mods didn't agree with my opinion on the matter.

I'll give an example I saw not that long ago that highlights the mods allowed to do so by the rules yet isn't good moderating:

1:

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OP posts in wrong section thread locked.

2:

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OP posts in same section again saying he can't see anywhere else for it to go

Mod cites rules at him.

OP is clearly irritated.

3:

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OP's irritation continues mod issues final warning

4:

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OP doesn't even bother with his topic just posts triggered

Different fmod responds directs him to FMR if he has issue with mods actions and also directs him to post his thread about Funorb in Off Topic

5:

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He posts in Off Topic and end up getting two pages of posts.

The hidden ones were discussing the mods actions one of which was mine where I said had I seen them before they were locked I'd have told him to post in Off Topic.

6: I find the treatment of OP pretty poor so post on FMR highlighting it. Of course the first mod was perfectly within his rights to lock the thread and nothing more.

The QFC links were being odd so I've removed them.

09-Nov-2016 17:14:32 - Last edited on 09-Nov-2016 19:10:42 by Wilf

Jan

2012

Norne

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Wilf said :
1:

278-279-651-65820644

OP posts in wrong section thread locked.

We can't move threads to funorbs forums - they arent on the same system (or if they are we just can't do it).

People that expect mods to be able to magically do anything isn't a solvable issue. We are constrained by both guidelines and abilities. Truth be told it looks like the user actually got the better of this situation as he managed not once, but twice to avoid a ban by having three seperate Fmods deal with the issue. That shouldn't be possible. "When history witnesses a great change, Razgriz reveals itself... first, as a dark demon. As a demon, it uses its power to rain death upon the land, and then it dies. However, after a period of slumber, Razgriz returns, this time, as a great hero"

09-Nov-2016 18:24:48 - Last edited on 09-Nov-2016 18:27:49 by Norne

Jul

2019

Wilf

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I'm nearly lost for words.

Yes I was expecting the mod to move it over to the funorb forums.

Are you honestly telling me that's what you thought?

Really?

Oh dear.

If you really were thinking that then this bit: "I'd have told him to post in Off Topic" should have removed any doubt not that there should have been any to begin with.

Rather telling that you think he got the better of the situation as he didn't get banned when he could and should have been directed to that section after misplacing it the first time and not even got to the point where he was upset with mods and threatened with a ban.

09-Nov-2016 19:03:16

Jan

2012

Norne

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Wilf said :
If you really were thinking that then this bit: "I'd have told him to post in Off Topic" should have removed any doubt not that there should have been any to begin with.

I admit I didn't see you say that, I skimmed the last part since it felt like the post was repeating itself but Off topics not really where it belongs, so moving it there would not work. That is clearly feedback to the (non existant) funorb team. Off topic is not a feedback forum, its certainly not an OFF TOPIC feedback forum and its not where I'd put it. I'd have done with Arch did, locked it and told him it doesn't belong here (as in RSOF).

This goes for all non RS Jagex products too...off topics not really a feedback forum yet that is clearly what he wants to provide - I could let the world let him down but that seems cruel since it be the wrong forum (and I having moved it there would be an easy scapegoat to boot) and its not gonna be read by the people he wants to be read by.

Wilf said :
Rather telling that you think he got the better of the situation as he didn't get banned when he could and should have been directed to that section after misplacing it the first time and not even got to the point where he was upset with mods and threatened with a ban.

Rather telling that you can get away with a lot due to different moderators actioning the same person. A lot of mischief is caused by this, including some particularly annoying individuals who set up people to get banned instead of them. Moderators warn them, they wait and return when the moderator ceases to be online or active. That I am tired of people circumventing actions is more telling about that then anything else. People who post 3 spam threads in a row should not be let off because 3 separate Fmods handled it. Thats ludacris. "When history witnesses a great change, Razgriz reveals itself... first, as a dark demon. As a demon, it uses its power to rain death upon the land, and then it dies. However, after a period of slumber, Razgriz returns, this time, as a great hero"

09-Nov-2016 19:17:31 - Last edited on 09-Nov-2016 19:26:10 by Norne

Jul

2019

Wilf

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Off Topic is for non RS stuff Funorb is non RS stuff. Seems reasonable to me and considering the amount of Funorb threads there seems reasonable to a lot of other people.

You arguing it is a feedback thread so doesn't belong here and locking instead of moving to Off Topic, which is a perfectly reasonable decision to my mind, is I'm sure correct as per the rules (I wouldn't dare say otherwise to a mod even if I disagree). Does sort of relate to the point I was trying to make in that being correct isn't always the best way to do things.

Just to further the opinion there is nothing wrong with them being moved to Off Topic:

Jmods have never said anything about them not being suitable for that section or even the forums as a whole. They know they're posted here because on more than one occasion I've posted on the FMR thread about removing the Who Are You? sticky and replacing it with one for Funorb.

That was after they rejected my calls for them to put in the general section as they could be deemed to be discussing Jagex which is permitted by the General FSR.

09-Nov-2016 19:41:11