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Han Man Mon

Han Man Mon

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Hi Timbo,
If you're willing to come and debate the topic, I'm sure that a lot of people will be more than happy to accommodate you. Possibly you could kick things off by posting a fuller and more considered explanation than we have so far been given of why the decision was taken to leave the wildy penguins in situ.

30-Jan-2011 00:11:06

Left of Zen
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Left of Zen

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Thanks for the reply Timbo.
However you aren't getting my sympathy vote. The fact is you knew the plight of us penguin hunters/spyers and what did you do? Absolutely nothing but taunt us.
I don't know whether you were trying to be humourous or not, but you got that comment very wrong. Hopefully you can be a bit more respectful in the future.
I look forward to your "reasons" as to why you are keeping penguins in the wilderness...you better hope they are darn good...
Left of Zen

30-Jan-2011 01:30:07

civett
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civett

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Timbo: Thanks for taking the time to reply. But, no thanks for the non-apology.
It's your (Jagex) toy, and you can use it however you wish, even break it if it suits you.
Most pk'ers I've seen in my 6 years or so are reprehensible bullies. I've even been called a coward (as I logged) because I wouldn't stand and fight superior numbers and levels.
But the real thing that galls, that illustrates the Jagex philosophy, is the dishonest method used to implement this change and the deceptive wording used to make us believe that the majority want the old wildy back.
In time, a person's true character is revealed. The same holds for corporate character. I think you can also say that for teams and clans. Our actions provide evidence of who we really are. What does the evidence say about Jagex?
Team Penguin will survive and in the end surmount this setback because of its character, sense of community, and its leadership.
Timing is everything. I guess it's a good thing you didn't reveal this update prior to the Golden Joystick Awards, but at least you have something to sit on now.
Lady C

30-Jan-2011 02:21:08 - Last edited on 30-Jan-2011 02:24:17 by civett

Alaz

Alaz

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Timbo, thanks for at least taking notice and making a reply - it's more than I've seen done in the past. It's a shame that each comment made must be guided so as not to infuriate people - the smallest things can be exploded into the largest of backlashes.
It really stifles Jagex's ability to be open to their community if that community is so analytical of every small aspect.

~ Alan

30-Jan-2011 02:32:12

LoriDocDa1st

LoriDocDa1st

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Alaz said:
It really stifles Jagex's ability to be open to their community if that community is so analytical of every small aspect.
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Yes...they should be careful what they say and do.
Edit: Considerate is a good quality.

30-Jan-2011 03:02:43 - Last edited on 30-Jan-2011 03:44:23 by LoriDocDa1st

Moe Is 4210

Moe Is 4210

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It would be more appreciated if you guys at all don't delve into these kind of topics in the newsletter. x.x
The newsletter has been news in the community - always. This really isn't news, it seemed more like a "Ha! We won!" type of submission... Then you added *one* skiller's PoV with the update to make it sound like it's good for all players.
That's what irritated me the most, and I don't think the joke quite helped the situation as it did hit a nerve with a few people.
No point debating it either tbh Timbo - Evidentially it will always be content's decision no matter how many times you may pass on the feedback (which already was).
Apology accepted though. ;)

30-Jan-2011 03:18:12

Dolt Boy
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Dolt Boy

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I am not against Pking. However, there is no valid reason for Jagex not to introduce non PVP worlds, or relocate non PVP content. Except, of course, Jagex may regard the offering of Skillers/D&Ders as Pker bait as a perfectly acceptable business proposition.
Jagex – I will be cancelling my monthly membership.
The total contempt shown towards a large part of your paying customers - yes, we are paying customers - means I will no longer fund your commercial operations. I have funded you through the years of no wildy; I put up with trade restrictions introduced with GE. I do not intend to waste money putting up with increasing viciousness which will inevitably occur . Bullying is already far too prevalent in real life and cyberspace; to deliberately re-introduce it into Runescape is a retrogade step.
PvPers had their dedicated worlds, which were spectacularly under populated – Oh No - Pker v Pker, how unfair. Oh No * he’s got higher herblore and can use extremes – not fair waaah says the Pker. Give Skillers/D&D their own worlds – you will find they are full to bursting – perhaps that is your problem; no easy bait for griefer Pkers.
I was around for the ‘wildy experience’ - younger and more naïve – believe me, it was not pleasant. Are you, as a company, so lacking in commercial awareness that you cannot see that you actually have two disparate customer bases? The skilling/D&D base is increasingly very different to the Pking Community, who spat the dummy and apparently left after the wildy and RWT was withdrawn. The withdrawal of the wildy was caused by those using PK for RWT. I know many skillers like Pking and many Pkers like skilling, but the differentiation between the communities is there. Choice – the consumer has it. To pay or not * I choose not * I shall now spit my dummy in your direction.
My money will go to Childline – to help combat cyber bullying., which Jagex appears to condone, or actually encourage.

30-Jan-2011 04:38:49

Dolt Boy
Jan Member 2012

Dolt Boy

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I have for years had a dream, like so many others ... to gain my Computer Sciences degree and go work for you. I will gain my Computer Sciences degree – however I will not be working for you, as I do not believe that you will have a viable business when I graduate. I can think of many better careers in which to invest the £35k+ debt I will accrue at uni. My only wish is that I was older so I could have a cheaper Uni course.
I feel sorry for my sister, who will not even be able to start with the membership she had been promised for Easter. Strangely, my parents take a dim view of funding on-line bullying – I wonder why?

30-Jan-2011 04:39:43

Britishgrace

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Your comment was entirely in poor taste, and I believe the entitled opinion the Penguin Community holds at this point is that we have had our fill of Mod Timbo.
With all the threads asking for change in this decision, only MMH posted, and that with no less than a snide remark. Perhaps if someone would have stepped up to the plate a bit sooner with something more than callous remarks?
I believe I speak for us all when I say you can sit on your Golden Joystick and spin.

30-Jan-2011 04:56:01 - Last edited on 30-Jan-2011 05:35:41 by Britishgrace

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