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HC Tervuren

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Casindra Rin said :
I'd request that my character's name be taken out of their story in toto .

Unfortunately, this has also been attempted .. I think everything has been tried, and it seems they don't care much about what other people think. I'd quote the areas where all this was mentioned on their thread although all of it was hidden by a forum mod. Them having so much control over the mainstream canon allows them to kind of get away with rulebreaking, sadly enough.

Regardless, they've outright named him in multiple RPs and have stated that he died, before thereafter deciding that they'd use his corpse or ghost or what have you as a means to access a private RP location used solely for disposing of OP items that we thought shouldn't exist on W42, like dragon weapons and whatnot.

Either way, the knowledge of that place's existence and contents is metagaming. I digress again though, like I said it's been attempted with no result.

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15-Jun-2019 17:05:07 - Last edited on 15-Jun-2019 17:06:48 by HC Tervuren

Casindra Rin

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Fair enough. I'm sorry it seems to be such a convoluted situation when it doesn't need to be, for everyone involved.

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15-Jun-2019 17:07:18

HC Tervuren

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Casindra Rin said :
Fair enough. I'm sorry it seems to be such a convoluted situation when it doesn't need to be, for everyone involved.

Thanks for your input though, very much appreciated. ^_^

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15-Jun-2019 17:10:31

Vekon

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Since the character in question is my own, I'll say my piece regarding it.

Genuinely, I would prefer for my character to be removed entirely from their narrative. I don't want the character to be directly used and associated with blatant rule-breaking (powergaming, metagaming, etc). Originally, they say they were simply writing him off as "disappeared". Through the RPs I've witnessed and the discord chats I've read, that appears not to be the case.

I was called a liar for pointing that out. But that was odd to me, since the argument that followed was "we didn't kill him, we went along with someone else who said we killed him". I'm having a hard time understanding the difference.

Following that, I heard talk about this group planning to infiltrate a vault that my character used. I mentioned metagaming earlier due to the fact that knowledge of the vaut (named The Deep) is not very common. It's essentially a piece of lore relating to Axel Vekon's(my character) family. People don't generally know about it. Even when he speaks of it to few others, he doesn't go into detail regarding its nature or what lies within. Very few people outside of the family have had access.

They planned to use the spirit of my powerplayed/autokilled character to gain the information to access it. The leader (who claims that Axel isn't autokilled) specifically typed about using the Axel's to gain access. I haven't even been asked by the people of the group how to access the vault or if it's possible to do so, nor have they asked me what the contents of it are. You'd think that you'd have to ask the person who essentially runs that piece of content, right?

The people taking part in this are so-called "community leaders" and, even if they're the only ones calling themself that, they sure aren't acting the part.

Obviously, I have an abundance of screenshots relating to the above, but the forums unfortunately is not the place for that.

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15-Jun-2019 17:47:58 - Last edited on 15-Jun-2019 17:52:12 by Vekon

Vekon

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HC Tervuren said :
Should there be new community leaders?
There shouldn't be community "leaders" at all, depending on the definition. And we shouldn't need them. The vast majority of us are adults who are capable of understanding rules.

HC Tervuren said :
New guidelines?
The rules we have now aren't being entirely followed by the people that should be helping to enforce them. If anything, we need to reestablish the importance of guidelines and rules so the remainder of the community, and the people who might join, don't start thinking that the recent behavior of certain individuals is okay. And perhaps maybe a few additions regarding the "split canons".

HC Tervuren said :
Should split canons be banned (yes)?
Absolutely. They don't serve any good; private RP is the place for throwing aside the boundaries and rules that our community, in the public sphere, has been built on.

Hazbollah said :
A bit more commentary which I imagine won't go down well: Kandarin is pretty notorious for its inactivity and landhogging and I think that would be hard to deny, but it certainly doesn't excuse the method of takeover.
I'll address this real quick. There have been a multitude of inactivity stints over the years, that much is certain. But talk of landhogging doesn't really sit right with me. Others can vouch for the fact that I, as a long-time leader of Kandarin, have always been cooperative with people looking to take land to lead themselves, whether it be through invasion/war, or inheriting it as an ally. I never turned down people who came to me asking if they could run anything under my control, nor did I deny invasion notices or the like.

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15-Jun-2019 18:05:01

Vekon

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This recent split-canon takeover began when I was speaking in a discord server of how tired I am of the state of the community, and how I was more or less had been planning to leave it. People took that as an opportunity to jump the gun with powerplaying and whatever else.

I fail to see why my personal stepping away from 42's community was leeway for this action. Kandarin is more than me and my machinations; there are at least four other individuals who I've considered equals in terms of leadership. More people other than me who created RP. More than me who were a lot more active than me, and one of which plays the character who I have already, in RP, given the crown and the Empire over to.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: I was never approached by this new group regarding being interested in wanting to lead Kandarin, nor was I approached with talk regarding invasion, but they claim to have done exactly that. Believe me when I say I would have been more than willing to cooperate if I had been approached beforehand.

I've heard talk about people not wanting to invade because "Axel is overpowered and not beatable." This, I assume, is due to his prowess as a spellcaster wielding numerous artifacts attained through RP with other individuals of this community. Rest assured that I would NOT use his magic or his neat weapons to influence the outcome of a combat, unless there were other insanely powerful casters/races on the field. I personally prefer wars be left to the normal warriors, archers, and maybe a few standard casters here and there. Wars are not the place for our extremely developed spell-slinging powerhouses, mahjarrat or otherwise.

And before I see "BUT WAIT YOU USED AXEL AGAINST CASTIGO!!1!", yes, Axel was at that battle. In armor with a shield, mace, and short sword. Any magic he cast was only after the result of the fight was clear.

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HouseVekon

15-Jun-2019 18:05:09 - Last edited on 15-Jun-2019 18:18:53 by Vekon

HC Tervuren

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Word.

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15-Jun-2019 18:27:18

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The following statement is the only one that the organisers of the Kingdom of Kandarin shall be made on this particular thread.

After going through the very extensive fantasy in the first few posts, I'll start off by saying I'm impressed by it. One of my favourite parts is how you drew reference to the fact that W42 has been under a split-canon fiasco for years, and how awful and restrictive it's been to our community's progress, but you made a specific point to not mention how it was you guys- Vekonic Kandarin- that were doing it.

How many Asgarnia threads can I link that, in the past few months, have attempted to overwrite what Daku has been doing with full support from Vekonic Kandarin?

Now, ironically, it's the same situation reversed on you now, and suddenly you come out claiming it is abhorrent. Only in this case, it's real, and it’s coupled with your inactivity and extreme OOC toxicity. Three years ago you lost Kandarin in a very similar way - You were powerplayed out by someone of your own group who was tired of your inactivity and your skype-chat viscera, handing it off to someone else. I'm fairly confident that we can reach back through the forums and find those threads, those arguments. Daku knows most of them weren't hidden by f-mods, but also how you went back and edited your posts so they weren't so aggressive.

Do any of us remember how bad the in-game harassment was? How awfully you ganged up and chased people off for daring to try and replace your imaginary power?

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15-Jun-2019 22:28:22

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He remembers the screenshots sent on discord about the types of private messages you were sending them, all because they had the nerve (sarcasm intended) to dare hold a roleplay where you plant your glorious, everlasting regime of unstoppable garbage. Because that’s what you are only content with producing.

In truth, a lot of the people raising their voices in complaint right now are just the people who are being overwritten. These people have extensive histories with incredibly toxic in-game behaviour, of course, that’s when they do get in-game, because a majority of the time you’ll be entirely unable to find them. Vekonic Kandarin is inactive to such a degree that I didn’t even know some of you guys still played. We assume your main account is muted, HC Tervurens, because otherwise, you’d be using it. We won’t be discussing how that happened here today.

Of course, not everybody complaining right now are from your group. Up until now, the onlookers in this discussion have been only able to make opinions off of the heavily one-sided and cherrypicked problems that you’re raising.

In short (or, length, from how much we’ve written), the crux of the issue here isn’t “rulebreaking.” What we are doing is within the rules of roleplay - Replacing inactive roleplay structures that are hindering progression with other groups, calling out toxic behavior and avoiding those toxic players, and cooperating with everybody that manage to avoid that blanket (because it truly is a blanket, so many problems fall under one umbrella) - and it’s nothing foreign to you. You’ve done it before, though of course your reasons were compromised and your methods exploitative.

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15-Jun-2019 22:28:59

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As was debated on the Kingdom of Kandarin thread, before a CM was asked to intercede and hide irrelevant discussion, nothing that we are doing is harmful or damaging to what roleplays you’re allegedly hosting, though we’re very confidently continuing to claim that you are inactive as can be, and only show up and show proof-of-life when your land is threatened. The people who were roleplaying with you are indeed continuing to roleplay and acknowledge you to no issue, as we are not interrupting them. I quote the following;

HC Tervuren said :
What is there to update on my thread? I invited multiple people outside the clan to various events and none of those invited people showed. Why should I update the thread for them to never look at it? I use the thread to keep a copy of saved things like uniforms and relations. Nobody has attempted relations with us as the owners of other kingdoms have refused to communicate with us. I've only communicated with Daniel's church and that was forever ago. Everything else is internal.

Everything else is internal. You are isolated and unapproached by the other POKs (largely because we the PoK leaders tend to avoid you and your group whenever possible, an issue made no better by the fact that to this day we’re all terribly unclear just how much of our land Vekonic Kandarin claims to hold with no means of retaking it, having been turned away when we attempted.) By all means, continuing in private and advertising your roleplays (or not, in most cases) is something you’ve apparently been doing for a considerable length of time.

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15-Jun-2019 22:29:34

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