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CrocoNuts
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Glad to see this posted in such a civil manner. Seems like a thread worth making a good contribution to no matter what your stance on this whole Ardougne thing is. I'll respond to the questions asked later but good going making an actual thread instead of sporadically making me watch like 2-3 threads at the time as I try to keep up with the debate. Quickly learn how to Roleplay on RuneScape!

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15-Jun-2019 14:15:05

Hazbollah

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I'll go ahead and address each point with my own semi-outsider take.

HC Tervuren said :
Should there be new community leaders?

There shouldn't be 'community leaders' full stop. Frankly I'm not convinced anyone here is capable of it. You (not you personally, I mean as a figurative community leader) do not speak for everyone. World 42 is really as it sounds - it's a mix of people and ideas. Granted it hasn't always been successful, but I can't express enough how important communication is. That doesn't mean just saying your side of view - it means listening to the other. I have seen a few self-professed representatives here on the forums and I can't help but laugh at your ego and entitlement.

HC Tervuren said :
New guidelines? Why? The ones we have are perfectly fine, provided people actually pay attention to them. The only noteworthy addition is the one Lozz proposed after the Arenaride (sp?) controversy around alternate accounts ('catfishing') - you shouldn't outright pretend to be someone else out-of-character for your own personal gain. That is so incredibly toxic. The reason we have problems like these split canons is because people ignore the rules we've had for years and just do what they want and think that's acceptable. Are you still having fun now that everyone's sick of it?

HC Tervuren said :
Should split canons be banned (yes)? Without a doubt. Not much more to say here. We all know full well it makes interaction between anyone else that much harder to navigate.

A bit more commentary which I imagine won't go down well: Kandarin is pretty notorious for its inactivity and landhogging and I think that would be hard to deny, but it certainly doesn't excuse the method of takeover.

I really hope you get through to each other this time. It's so sad to see the community be a shadow of its former self, whether that's the game's fault or its own All these sins disguised as blessings

15-Jun-2019 14:15:33 - Last edited on 15-Jun-2019 14:16:47 by Hazbollah

HC Tervuren

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Hazbollah said :
There shouldn't be 'community leaders' full stop. Frankly I'm not convinced anyone here is capable of it. I have seen a few self-professed representatives here on the forums and I can't help but laugh at your ego and entitlement.

I agree to an extent. I believe there should be "community leaders" in that they run the stickies, as they are. However, their authority should end there immediately. Currently, I feel like one of the owners of those two stickies overstep those boundaries very, very often. Not only that, but I think their sticky is confusing, overly complex and contradicts itself multiple times with the guidelines. That brings me to the next question.

Hazbollah said :
HC Tervuren said :
New guidelines? Why? The ones we have are perfectly fine, provided people actually pay attention to them. The reason we have problems like these split canons is because people ignore the rules we've had for years and just do what they want and think that's acceptable.

Some guidelines we have in our stickies contradict one another. Two of them are quoted on the first page .. see the blacklisting sections. They are confusing and direct counter to one another.

I also suggest new guidelines given the split canon problem, where a guideline should be made dictating that split cannons are absolutely unacceptable.

Hazbollah said :
A bit more commentary which I imagine won't go down well: Kandarin is pretty notorious for its inactivity and landhogging and I think that would be hard to deny, but it certainly doesn't excuse the method of takeover.

I agree. It has been inactive many times, and land-hogging has been a thing before. Nowadays we typically give away land if a good enough reason is presented with a fun roleplay to boot. Like you said though, it's no excuse at all.

Thank you for the civil responses.
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15-Jun-2019 14:25:26 - Last edited on 15-Jun-2019 14:28:19 by HC Tervuren

Hazbollah

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HC Tervuren said :

Some guidelines we have in our stickies contradict one another. Two of them are quoted on the first page .. see the blacklisting sections. They are confusing and direct counter to one another.

I also suggest new guidelines given the split canon problem, where a guideline should be made dictating that split cannons are absolutely unacceptable.

Aha. I'll admit, I've not read the stickies - I'm heard and I'm sure that they have gone under multiple revisions, but I imagined the 'old' rules (those might still be unedited on the wiki?). Appreciate the tip-off on those, I'll have to check them out.

In that case, the stickies should undoubtedly be addressed to be coherent. Suppose that calls for another community thread to revisit and cooperatively edit them? I'll not talk about my views on blacklisting because that's a different topic entirely.

I would certainly be for a guideline that doesn't accept split canons. All these sins disguised as blessings

15-Jun-2019 14:37:07

HC Tervuren

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Hazbollah said :
In that case, the stickies should undoubtedly be addressed to be coherent. Suppose that calls for another community thread to revisit and cooperatively edit them? I'll not talk about my views on blacklisting because that's a different topic entirely.

I would certainly be for a guideline that doesn't accept split canons.

Somewhere in the depths of the sticky mentioned you can find a few pages where I and others argued against the complexity and contradictory nature of what all is said there. Despite that, no changes were made. :|

But I digress .. A guideline absolutely banning split canons would be great. It'd be one thing to create a new canon if a group completely abandoned their RP and all attempts to reach them were fruitless, but in this instance, we immediately reacted and have been on the case ever since.

Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to make the cut.
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15-Jun-2019 14:50:22

SpeedoJor
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HC Tervuren said :
Should there be new community leaders? New guidelines? Should split canons be banned (yes)? At this rate I have no idea. Typically, these threads never work and are flamed into oblivion.

For this reason: please avoid personally targeting individuals and please remain civil.


Please discuss.


For this reason: i will post what i think in the Slovene language.

Mislim, da nièna in znebiti naj bi zmanjšal svoje vratove, saj so niè veè kot Power-ponoljene fašistiène posameznike.
it doesn't matter whether a cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice.

15-Jun-2019 14:52:41

HC Tervuren

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SpeedoJor said :
Mislim, da nièna in znebiti naj bi zmanjšal svoje vratove, saj so niè veè kot Power-ponoljene fašistiène posameznike.


That's pretty metal.
Kristian
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Kandarin
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Vekon
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Tervurens
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15-Jun-2019 14:56:20

SpeedoJor
Nov Member 2012

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HC Tervuren said :
SpeedoJor said :
Mislim, da nièna in znebiti naj bi zmanjšal svoje vratove, saj so niè veè kot Power-ponoljene fašistiène posameznike.


That's pretty metal.

There is benefits of being bilingual and dual citizen :P
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15-Jun-2019 14:59:36 - Last edited on 15-Jun-2019 14:59:51 by SpeedoJor

Casindra Rin

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As a new member of RuneScape who is 100% unacquainted with everyone in every corner, I've been quietly watching this ordeal from the sidelines. I'm no stranger to roleplay in MMO settings, and I know the issues that arise from trying to make a cohesive and (at least) cordial storyline that everyone can enjoy and take part in. That being said, I thought I'd extend my opinions and views on what I've seen, as an outsider.

Firstly, I'll be pedantic and bother with semantics. People who write stickies shouldn't be considered leaders. Leadership should belong to Jagex and Jagex alone, at least where these forums and The Community at large are concerned.

Now, for sake of conversation, I agree that it's bad form for someone who wrote a guide on proper roleplay etiquette to break a very basic roleplay rule.

Which leads me into my next point, and for the sake of not naming names, I'll try to keep this vague while expressing my thoughts.

Powerplay in any capacity is a no-no. Alternate timelines, alternate storylines, etc. are well within everyone's rights to enjoy this game world. What isn't cool, and what I cannot abide, is seeing someone specifically and publicy use someone else's character in a way that the owner of said character is very visibly not alright with. Private setting roleplay is whatever, we can't thought-police, but posting public threads on official forums stating that your roleplay is based on someone else's characters in a storyline that did not happen, is not alright.

Say Tim wants a house that Mary currently occupies in her roleplay, but Mary doesn't want to give up her house. Short of roleplaying with Mary in her house, the proper thing to do is create an alternate storyline and share the space. The improper thing to do is for Tim to post how Mary was evicted and now Tim has bought the house.

Also, Blacklisting is probably the worst thing you can do.
CASINDRA RIN
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