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Lord Pyro I
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Siberys said :

Now the actions that took place after I left, I could not and still cannot support. It doesn't matter how toxic someone is OOC, don't stoop to a similar or worse level by powerplaying someone else. That goes for both Xivan (and Dan's) Kandarin - and this new iteration. (Sorry, I'm blasting all guilty parties here.)


Sorry Atrum but I have to disagree with the order of priorities here. Not matter how toxic some is OOC we should not act as if they are no longer present IC'ly?

No, no, no, no, no. And just for good measure: No.

To use a phrase that is so, so often used against me "IT'S JUST A GAME". Ensuring that no rules are ever broken cannot be placed above ensuring that people that join our community do not have to face bullying, vile abuse and hate just to be involved.

You yourself have highlighted why people on w42 have ignored the existence of this group so that they didn't have to deal with them. Personally I don't want anyone to have to deal with them. I don't want anyone to be dragged into dealing with them because they see them as being part of the public rp community.

Everyone else is entitled to their own opinions but here is mine: I have wasted too much time answering facetious posts about why this toxic group should still be allowed to be part of our community.

From me it's goodbye, you won't be missed. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
#WarIsComing

17-Jun-2019 22:39:23

Geythir
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I have kept pretty quiet on this for a number of reasons. I have kept away from these threads for a number of reasons. And reading all these this past afternoon, I really have only one thing to say.

This noise demeans us all.

We have every level of Mod come into these forums to clean up the mess of each party involved. If that does not tell you everything you need to know about this situation, then I don’t know what will.

While I might run one of the Kandarin POK's now, this is very much a match between two very certain groups of people, the same two groups that have been odds for years now. For whatever reason they claim to have superiority, whatever logs or screenshots they have saved to say 'I am in the right'.

That is the core of the issue right and plain. No matter what type of reasoning both sides will use to achieve their goals, it has always been a tale of ‘Us vs Them’. And that is what ruined this community and roleplay. How simple events and characters were tainted and turned into settling OOC grudges.

Now we have groups on a crusade to ruin the other in whatever way they can. A fact that both my side and the other are guilty of.

It doesn't matter, none of these threads actually matter. Both of our sides are far too locked in their ways and their self right to think they are correct. I will be the first to tell you of every mistake I have ever made on this game, the lies and events that I pulled in the POK scene, any in my friend group could tell you the same.

I'm not riding in on my high horse, I'm walking in here to say that enough is enough. It's been days of this, talking ourselves into circles where no progress has been made nor will be made because both sides are too strong of will to agree that both are in fault for how far this community has fallen.

-- Myles
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17-Jun-2019 23:22:41

Geythir
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How much fault that each and every single one of us shares. I, just like everyone else who has such strong thoughts on this matter, has done something wrong. To claim anything but, to claim that one side is worse than the other, is for neigh.

There was a time in this community where we were just that, a community. Where everyone had a space and everyone had a roleplay to belong to. And that's all that matters, the reason why we all log into this game to write about fake characters.

That is long lost to the past and now all we have is bitterness and hatred for each other that has poisoned us all.

Do any of us think for a moment that if we were able to somehow reach an agreement, we would be able to go back and act as if nothing happened? As if the past years of lies, hatred and plots haven’t lead to this point as some think designed to occur. Able to simply snap our fingers and all get along as if nothing happened.

No, and that is why we all had our own spaces to do as we wished.

The only possible way for this to move forward is a Two-State solution. To give us all time to remember when we didn’t sit in Chats plotting how we can bring the other down. Reading and analyzing every little sentence for some hidden meeting behind it.

Until that day comes, then we can still act civil to the other, like any grown adult can. We can have our own fun and our own stories. Perhaps then we’ll remember the magic of the first time we went In-Character.

And if it doesn't, then so be it.

If the other group ever wishes to roleplay, with no strings attached, then so be it and let's make it enjoyable for the both of us. Myles
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17-Jun-2019 23:22:47 - Last edited on 17-Jun-2019 23:25:28 by Geythir

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Geythir said :
The only possible way for this to move forward is a Two-State solution. To give us all time to remember when we didn’t sit in Chats plotting how we can bring the other down. Reading and analyzing every little sentence for some hidden meeting behind it.

I would argue that we should go a step further and have the PoK RP divided in such a way that limits interaction and simultaneously prevents canon splitting. For this, two things need to happen:

1) Void either voids his Kandarin or it becomes officially private.
2) Aggression from other PoKs, such as that of Vekon to Asgarnia and beyond can only be carried out when invited. Sure, it might sound disagreeable, but it was their antagonising behaviour that arguably catalysed the canon split in the first place.

If both of these things were to take place, with both sides giving ground in certain areas, then it would go some way to mending the situation.

EDIT: wording
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17-Jun-2019 23:31:16 - Last edited on 17-Jun-2019 23:43:00 by Oxtus

Har Sicarius

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Lord Pyro I said :
@Stu



I find many of the points you've made here to be riddled with bias and personal opinion, and it saddens me that you can't look at this from any different perspective. Blacklisting worked - with a pinch of salt - in specific rp instances to ignore one person who was breaking rules and derailing a whole event or scene. It is not the solution to tackle whole clans approach to eachother. The community is already small and fractured, and you are in essence blocking out twenty to thirty people who might get an itch to rp now and then. I wont claim everyone in the discord is active, honestly I've had a pretty small role in Kandarin until somewhat recently, deep into their 'inactive' period. But as Twillow said, inactivity is hard to quantify. Should any of these people decide to nip in to play their characters, they'll now find themselves blocked out by your blacklist.

However, admitting there is inactive people in a discord does not mean the clan is inactive. Your justification for inactivity is flawed. You call out storm for a failed public event, then wonder why there wasnt more public events for you to notice? The answer is there - it failed. You talk about Gale quitting - more of a step down from what I have been told, a plotline well in the works with Myles as his successor as you see happening now on the thread. Why would you have been invited to a vekon centric roleplay? You weren't, hell I wasn't, but I know it happened because I bother to talk to people. Ian also lapsed for a few weeks, after his knight plotline ended, another event you had no reason to be invited to. But thats one territory thats only been dormant a number of weeks as life caught up to Ian. I'm sure theres chunks of Misthalin and Asgarnia that experiance the same. Ridaku isnt using the Black Knight Castle every day - should he lose Asgarnia over that?

This will continue next post. We come here with no peaceful intent, but ready for battle, determined to avenge our wrongs and set our country free.

18-Jun-2019 00:45:27

Har Sicarius

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Lord Pyro I said :
@Stu

It is true to say that several kandarin rpers did show up to fight against Castigo's invasion as indeed that pok could always be counted on to do so. To cling to their territory despite the fact that they do not even use it. And even then in an rp in which they heavily outnumbered the enemy there were clear signs of Kandarin rpers refusing to accept hits, refusing to accept the possibility that any of them could lose in this fight.

The original plan was to focus on an all out final IC invasion of Kandarin. but everything we have seen, just in the last few weeks only served to reinforce the conviction of many in our group that Kandarin is incapable of accepting it's own defeat.

This is sad.

The last war Ridaku fought, he and his friends played 5-10 white knights EACH and emoted them all shooting at once, utterly disregarding the efforts of the competitive nature of gathering support, allies, through rp. He broke the rules to win his war.

And what are you gonna compare it to? A few squabbles during a live combat event, an event which both sides were happy with the outcome from and the point of it from Salt Aren, the invading party, was achieved? Everyone got what they wanted from that roleplay. The difference is you look at the tiny flaws, decide they arent for you because that would require work and compromise, and decide to railroad your way into victory. You break larger rules to save yourself the shame of having to comprimise over small issues as is needed with any sense of community.

Talk all you want about your ambitions to invade, you didn't even try it. Theres a lot and back and forth between the leaders saying a discord message was sent, but you had ample oppertunity to publically post your intent on the forums and let the whole community see your aims for roleplay.

I also don't understand the criticism of people logging on to fight. Oh no, people are turning up to roleplay in this event???? We come here with no peaceful intent, but ready for battle, determined to avenge our wrongs and set our country free.

18-Jun-2019 00:45:33 - Last edited on 18-Jun-2019 00:51:28 by Har Sicarius

RiDaku
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Oh you wanna open up that can of worms and completely dismiss every reason behind it. Aight. You do that, my thread's still up, people can research it themselves. The Sicarius |
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18-Jun-2019 00:55:50

Har Sicarius

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RiDaku said :
Oh you wanna open up that can of worms and completely dismiss every reason behind it. Aight. You do that, my thread's still up, people can research it themselves.

You broke the rules mate, regardless of anything else nothing makes that okay. There is no excuse for ignoring every fairness rule that public roleplay and this server have adhered to for years. Full stop.

Edit: The fact you ignored all of my other points too, cherry picking the single one you think you could argue, really shows your attitude on this matter. You'll go down swinging whatever tiny bit of justification you think you have. Is that really the attitude you want to be known for We come here with no peaceful intent, but ready for battle, determined to avenge our wrongs and set our country free.

18-Jun-2019 00:59:22 - Last edited on 18-Jun-2019 01:01:08 by Har Sicarius

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