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DMMetalaane

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It's such a defeatist attitude, but a wholly accurate one. That's a pity, huh?

Clearly, the solution is for everyone to be friends again.

Let's standardize some love, y'all.



(and the above is a joke but I'll always advocate for that blank slate initiative...)
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28-Apr-2016 11:10:37 - Last edited on 28-Apr-2016 11:14:21 by DMMetalaane

Greyson Val

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I would love a little standardization myself.

Armor being one.

Magic being one.

Oft it feels like everyone is on a slightly different page; same book however.
I could also say putting in the effort to do all this would drastically change how we choose to see new equipment (GWD St00f, etc, etc.)

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28-Apr-2016 15:05:29

Sand Traven

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DMMetalaane said :
It's such a defeatist attitude, but a wholly accurate one. That's a pity, huh?


Alas, I think you're both right. Is standardisation a good thing? Absolutely. Would I be willing to drop my own systems of magic in favour of a standardised system for the good of the community? In a heartbeat. Should the special snowflakes who refuse to conform be nailed to crosses dotted along the road to Falador? Undoubtedly.

But we can't do that, and the headache of trying (metaphorically >_&gt ;) would just be too much trouble. We are well behind other roleplay communities for our lack of standardisation, but it's not as though they don't all have problems of their own. There isn't a happy solution to this problem. All we can do is work together to find the happiest medium.
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28-Apr-2016 15:26:10 - Last edited on 28-Apr-2016 15:26:27 by Sand Traven

Spartae

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I do believe it would be feasible if enough people in the community got on board to help create it, and if it were thusly sticked (the Tibby system was not) as a permanent reference. Newcomers are generally more likely to follow the written rule than not, and there are only so many old hands left.

I don't think it'd be easy by any means, but I do think if enough people earnestly put an effort into making it work, it would. It might take a couple of years to fully integrate in the long run, but that transitory time might still benefit from it. Yeah, there'll be some special snowflakes railing against the system, but if there's enough centralized community effort put into establishing a standardized game world with standardized rules, the necessary tools would be available to establish that "this" is the W42 canon, not "that".

28-Apr-2016 16:03:37

Zrie

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To be honest, I agree with Faey's parenthetical aside about a blank slate. I'm only seeing something like this working well if there's some sort of complete reset on our canon, land holdings, and everything else. Trying to mesh a large standardization with our current way of doings things will only create complications and further divide our community that values tradition and hates change. A reset along with these changes removes the need of deciding who's doing what right and wrong.

I know the argument against resetting back and forth: making a new canon will just split the population, a group ignoring the other. How is that any different than ignoring those who don't follow the same rules?

I know we'd lose characters, history, etc, but all stories come to an end.

Finally, I have to disagree with Spartae. A transition will be needed, yes, but delaying the process over an extended time will only kill the initiative, and people will likely fall back to their old ways of doing things. I'm not sure on how to implement this because I've always avoided leadership roles, so I'm just throwing out an idea.

28-Apr-2016 16:55:03

Siberys

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jagkilledme said :
I don't think standardization would work: there's no way to reach the entire community, and no way to make the entire community agree.


The forums would already reach a sizable portion of those affected by it. Word of mouth would fill in for most of the remainder, and those who don't know can be directed to the thread, if an issue arises.

As to the latter, fair point. I don't view standardization as a dictatorial measure - I view it as a means of clearing aside confusion on certain topics. There will undoubtedly be a few dissenters - but I'd rather have a few people in dissent, than the majority flaming each other over simple actions in RP fights, or sending malicious PM's in-game, and on third-party programs, due to the lack of a standard.

jagkilledme said :
People in different friend groups can agree on different head-canons, and that's the best way to go about it.


Until those headcanons come into conflict when those groups interact. :|

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28-Apr-2016 17:42:33

Siberys

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jagkilledme said :
Trying to standardize is a waste of time. Kind of like how it went with people using the Tibby system. Yes, we should use it! No, we shouldn't! Arguments on both sides. Nothing changed. No point. People that wanted to use it did, typically people in the same friend group all adhered to it. And then it was proven totally against canon, and I had a good laugh about it.


Apathy solves nothing, and only generates more issues, as time wears on. Things as they stand in the here and now are less chaotic on the surface than they may have been a few years ago, but I wouldn't say much has really changed from the past, when you get down to it. The same disputes still occur, they've merely adopted a different face. Maybe it's time to solve them?

jagkilledme said :
It's best to keep some things as vague as possible, like the passage of time, or the worth of things. It avoids arguments.

"Yes, I have enough money to afford x, but don't necessarily have enough for y". End of story.


I agree with you on this, particularly on the example of time. That's something that would be utter madness to attempt. I'm not saying that everything must be a certain way - just the things that are clearly causing significant tension within the community.

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28-Apr-2016 17:50:58

Siberys

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Greyson Val said :
I would love a little standardization myself.

Armor being one.

Magic being one.

Oft it feels like everyone is on a slightly different page; same book however.
I could also say putting in the effort to do all this would drastically change how we choose to see new equipment (GWD St00f, etc, etc.)

A good guide to the everything of RuneScape Role-Playing, a mix of getting oldies to use it, and just starting the newbies on it right of. I hate arguing about combat, or some other bs that should kinda be solved and defined by now, imo.


Agreed 100%. Different page, same book is exactly the analogy I would use for when these disagreements arise. I too dislike these sorts of arguments - it's something that should have been solved quite some time ago.

Zrie said :
To be honest, I agree with Faey's parenthetical aside about a blank slate. I'm only seeing something like this working well if there's some sort of complete reset on our canon, land holdings, and everything else. Trying to mesh a large standardization with our current way of doings things will only create complications and further divide our community that values tradition and hates change. A reset along with these changes removes the need of deciding who's doing what right and wrong.


I disagree. A complete reset on 42 canon seems to me a bit too disproportionate to solving issues like these. A reset in addition to standardization, to me, sounds like it would cause more arguments than the issue of standardization on its own. It could work, but I don't think people would want all their characters' achievements to just be voided out.

Good grief, another continued post.
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28-Apr-2016 18:00:36

Siberys

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Zrie said :
I know the argument against resetting back and forth: making a new canon will just split the population, a group ignoring the other. How is that any different than ignoring those who don't follow the same rules?


I... don't think we've advocated ignoring people as a result of not conforming to what would be standardized? If you mean the current state of things, I agree. I don't like the idea of all these isolated bubbles scattered throughout the community, either. Whether standardization would cause a positive change in that, or if a different solution would be needed remains to be seen. I'd like to solve that issue, as well. :|


Zrie said :
Finally, I have to disagree with Spartae. A transition will be needed, yes, but delaying the process over an extended time will only kill the initiative, and people will likely fall back to their old ways of doing things. I'm not sure on how to implement this because I've always avoided leadership roles, so I'm just throwing out an idea.


The thing is, it would have to take a while for standardization to be implemented, as it would take time to properly decide on the standard. Rushing through it has the potential to cause more problems than it solves. I'm not saying it's going to take years, like Spartae has suggested - but it's not going to be all fine and dandy in a week either.
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28-Apr-2016 18:09:23

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