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Ownage Omg said :
Owning a car has always been a privilege and not a right. I disagree. Anyone has the right to buy (or obtain) a car. It's not a privilege. It's a personal right to private property. The government cannot ban you from having a car. They cannot remove your right to personal property.

Driving, on the other hand, is a different story. But everyone has the right to own a car. They just need to be able to obtain one somehow.

Ownage Omg said :
As far as the government are concerned, everyone not being able to own an electric car is not a valid reason to argue against removing all fuel based cars. I suppose it would depend on what percentage of the population wouldn't be able to own an electric car. If it's more than 50%, then, it would seem that the government wouldn't be acting in the best interest of the majority of the population. That might have a negative affect when it comes to election time. If the majority of the population is opposed to the government imposing such regulations, then that government probably won't be getting re-elected, since they're no longer representing the majority of the population. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

02-Dec-2020 13:01:01

02-Dec-2020 13:29:52

Stoat King said :
^ you are quite right.
I have the right to own a car but, since I cant drive, all I could do is sit in it a make 'broom broom' noises. I fear people would make hurtful comments. You do realize that you have to make the "broom broom" noised for all electric vehicles, right? They're relatively silent.

I can often be found making "broom broom" noises on my e-bike.

If people are making hurtful comments to you about that, then just "broom broom" even louder to drown them out.

I'm pretty sure that's what Joel does when he's at a stoplight and someone wants to race him. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

02-Dec-2020 13:54:57

Joel said :
Range is definitely impacted in the winter time though. Can expect to lose upwards of 30%/40% of range in really low temperatures. Yeah, I can vouch for that. My range drops significantly in the winter. If it's nice out, and the roads are dry, I'll take the ebike to the store down the road, but I can't get out to my gf's place on it, whereas in the summer, I have no problem getting that range out of it.


Joel said :
Nope, the building's resident parking is underneath while limited guest parking is out front. In Southern Ontario I'm not sure how necessary they'd be anyway. Ah, I see.

Joel said :
My building in the past few weeks have started a process to offer residents EV charging wired to their parking spot (a limited number) but it still costs a few thousand so its not worth it for me with how much I personally drive.
Maybe you'll get lucky, and one of your parking neighbors will get one installed and you can share it. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

02-Dec-2020 14:26:28

Megycal said :
As a point of interest, is there a difference between 110 v and 240 v for charging? The UK has 240 v mains electricity. Well, you're not actually charging with AC, the 110v or 240v is run through a rectifier or converter to produce DC, which is used for charging.

AC can't charge batteries. It's alternating current. Theoretically it would just "push and pull" the electricity in and out of the battery, resulting in no charging. You need DC (direct current) to charge batteries.

I'm not really sure if there would be any advantage/disadvantage to either 110v or 240v, as the real differences will mainly be within the AC/DC rectifier/converter circuits of the chargers. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

02-Dec-2020 15:48:13

Joel said :
NexOrigin said :
Maybe you'll get lucky, and one of your parking neighbors will get one installed and you can share it. A neighbour down the hall from me who also has a Tesla (who was the one who persuaded me to get one lol) has had one installed. They're on a different parking level to me but they've said I can use their spot to charge whenever I need.

So small wins That's a bonus for sure!



Joel said :
Megycal said :
As a point of interest, is there a difference between 110 v and 240 v for charging? The UK has 240 v mains electricity. The main difference with the different outlets as far as I'm aware will be the speed at which your car will get charged. 110v will take longer than a 240v, how much time will vary depending on the car and the size of its battery. Will it? If they're both pushing the same amperage, let's say 20 amps, it won't actually charge faster, will it? I mean, sure, 240 is higher than 120... but, 20 is the same as 20. I mean, if you can only pull 20 amps from a breaker, you're not going to be charging any faster with a higher voltage, since that voltage is going to be converted to specific DC voltage (usually just slightly higher than what your battery is rated at).

Obviously if you're charging from a 240 volt outlet on a 60 amp breaker, that will charge faster than a 120 volt outlet on a 30 amp breaker (if the charger can pull 60 amps). But I'm pretty sure the AC voltage doesn't play a part in how fast it charges, since it's going to be rectified to DC anyways. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

02-Dec-2020 16:28:04