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Kathy
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Now on a 240v - time needed to charge would be about 8-9 hours vs the 17 hours on the 110v. Is the 110v breaker and the 240v breaker the same amperage?
Kathy said :
Superchargers can be used.. and despite the stigma, tesla batteries are not fragile at all. I usually charge every.. 3-4 days. Its a real money saver. I have not paid no more than $10 on a Supercharger. On my previous ICE car, I was paying $20-25 at the pump, using 93 (the best rating which equals better engine life). How much is it going to cost to replace your battery array when it's time for a new one, versus how much would it have cost to replace your gas tank when it was time for a new one? I wouldn't expect the battery to last much longer than the 8 year warranty they provide. I wouldn't expect any less from Tesla than having your car disabled once the battery warranty runs out due to "safety reasons" until you have the battery replaced. What do they run these days for Tesla battery? $10,000?
That's one cost a lot of people don't factor into EVs. It's going to cost be around $600 to replace the battery array in my bike when the time comes, if I replace it with the same lead-acid batteries, and around $1200 if I replace it with a lithium based array.
It only costs me around a nickel to charge, but, the batteries don't last forever. They need to be replaced periodically, just like any other battery.
But, the convenience of charging at home... it's gotta be worth something for sure. I mean, that's one of the main reasons I got the ebike; I can fuel up at home, instead of the gas station. Or course, I do have to plan my trips and charging. If I forget to plug in when I get to my destination, I'm gonna be there for a few extra hours when I finally realize to plug the charger in. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
Now on a 240v - time needed to charge would be about 8-9 hours vs the 17 hours on the 110v. Is the 110v breaker and the 240v breaker the same amperage?
Kathy said :
Superchargers can be used.. and despite the stigma, tesla batteries are not fragile at all. I usually charge every.. 3-4 days. Its a real money saver. I have not paid no more than $10 on a Supercharger. On my previous ICE car, I was paying $20-25 at the pump, using 93 (the best rating which equals better engine life). How much is it going to cost to replace your battery array when it's time for a new one, versus how much would it have cost to replace your gas tank when it was time for a new one? I wouldn't expect the battery to last much longer than the 8 year warranty they provide. I wouldn't expect any less from Tesla than having your car disabled once the battery warranty runs out due to "safety reasons" until you have the battery replaced. What do they run these days for Tesla battery? $10,000?
That's one cost a lot of people don't factor into EVs. It's going to cost be around $600 to replace the battery array in my bike when the time comes, if I replace it with the same lead-acid batteries, and around $1200 if I replace it with a lithium based array.
It only costs me around a nickel to charge, but, the batteries don't last forever. They need to be replaced periodically, just like any other battery.
But, the convenience of charging at home... it's gotta be worth something for sure. I mean, that's one of the main reasons I got the ebike; I can fuel up at home, instead of the gas station. Or course, I do have to plan my trips and charging. If I forget to plug in when I get to my destination, I'm gonna be there for a few extra hours when I finally realize to plug the charger in. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
02-Dec-2020 17:40:16
Kathy
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so I mean just because a Tesla battery has an 8 year warranty, doesn't mean it will just not work after that. If your crash sensor goes off, regardless if you actually crashed or not, they will immediately disable your fast charging until you bring your car to them to have serviced. Sure, the battery might not actually die after the warranty expires, but, Tesla might just disable your fast charging until you get your battery replaced.
And they do that all remotely, since they have wireless access to your car's computer at all times.
If you've ever watched Rich Rebuilds on YouTube, he goes into great detail about all the issues he faced from Tesla while attempting to rebuild a Tesla.
Kathy said :
Its a huge battery. Yeah, it's literally the floor of your car. You're literally sitting on a fairly large explosive device. If you get into an accident, make sure you get out and run. Those cars blow pretty good once they're ready to blow. There's quite a few YouTube videos showing Tesla batteries (and the whole car) exploding.
Which brings up another point about EVs, and having millions of huge charged lithium bombs driving around the cities. Car accidents happen regularly. Gas tanks don't generally blow up after a car accident. It's a rare occurrence. But... if you're forcing people to buy electric cars... and they're buying whatever cheap electric car they can... there might be some battery issues. We see e-cigarettes blowing up, and cell phones, and Teslas.
The fire department can't just roll up with their firetruck and spray a bunch of water on a burning Tesla. That'll just make burn even more, like adding water to a magnesium fire. If you're changing the gasoline to lithium, you also have to change the fire department, and accommodate foam or dry chemical extinguishers onto the firetrucks. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
so I mean just because a Tesla battery has an 8 year warranty, doesn't mean it will just not work after that. If your crash sensor goes off, regardless if you actually crashed or not, they will immediately disable your fast charging until you bring your car to them to have serviced. Sure, the battery might not actually die after the warranty expires, but, Tesla might just disable your fast charging until you get your battery replaced.
And they do that all remotely, since they have wireless access to your car's computer at all times.
If you've ever watched Rich Rebuilds on YouTube, he goes into great detail about all the issues he faced from Tesla while attempting to rebuild a Tesla.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfV0_wbjG8KJADuZT2ct4SA
Kathy said :
Its a huge battery. Yeah, it's literally the floor of your car. You're literally sitting on a fairly large explosive device. If you get into an accident, make sure you get out and run. Those cars blow pretty good once they're ready to blow. There's quite a few YouTube videos showing Tesla batteries (and the whole car) exploding.
Which brings up another point about EVs, and having millions of huge charged lithium bombs driving around the cities. Car accidents happen regularly. Gas tanks don't generally blow up after a car accident. It's a rare occurrence. But... if you're forcing people to buy electric cars... and they're buying whatever cheap electric car they can... there might be some battery issues. We see e-cigarettes blowing up, and cell phones, and Teslas.
The fire department can't just roll up with their firetruck and spray a bunch of water on a burning Tesla. That'll just make burn even more, like adding water to a magnesium fire. If you're changing the gasoline to lithium, you also have to change the fire department, and accommodate foam or dry chemical extinguishers onto the firetrucks. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
02-Dec-2020 18:53:46
Kathy
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As far as driving a "bomb", ICE vehicles have petroleum gas which is flammable.. they have engine oil, which is also flammable and now even rear differential fluid, which is also flammable. Flammable and explosive are two different things. The flammable fluids need to be ignited. They need open flame or spark. The oil... well, let's face it, while it's "flammable"... it's not exactly easy to light.
Lithium batteries on the other hand, will combust with just a slight prick to the cell. Ever watch someone explode a smart phone battery by piercing the cell?
https://youtu.be/XqaD2ktZkmo
https://youtu.be/bqcX1AjdxSw
https://youtu.be/AAZ62tUtc0w
And here's some dumb people doing some dumb things with lithium batteries, like unwrapping them while they're fully charged:
https://youtu.be/y-a405s1eio
Kathy said :
So, all cars are equally dangerous to drive and have that same possible event. It's not a no deal situation. I'm pretty sure explosive is more dangerous than flammable.
Have you ever watched a Tesla explode?
Kathy said :
So, all cars are equally dangerous to drive and have that same possible event. It's not a no deal situation. Volvo's do exist, so, I would have to disagree that all cars are equally dangerous to drive.
Kathy said :
As far as DC charging being disabled, yes this can happen for safety. This is more of a salvage car thing than it is a regular car thing. They absolutely disable supercharging on salvage vehicles. But, from what I've been reading, people are having their supercharging disabled for numerous reasons. One guy had his disabled because he "overparked" six minutes on a supercharger, and he didn't have a credit card linked to his Tesla account. They waived the fee, but disabled his supercharging:
I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
As far as driving a "bomb", ICE vehicles have petroleum gas which is flammable.. they have engine oil, which is also flammable and now even rear differential fluid, which is also flammable. Flammable and explosive are two different things. The flammable fluids need to be ignited. They need open flame or spark. The oil... well, let's face it, while it's "flammable"... it's not exactly easy to light.
Lithium batteries on the other hand, will combust with just a slight prick to the cell. Ever watch someone explode a smart phone battery by piercing the cell?
https://youtu.be/XqaD2ktZkmo
https://youtu.be/bqcX1AjdxSw
https://youtu.be/AAZ62tUtc0w
And here's some dumb people doing some dumb things with lithium batteries, like unwrapping them while they're fully charged:
https://youtu.be/y-a405s1eio
Kathy said :
So, all cars are equally dangerous to drive and have that same possible event. It's not a no deal situation. I'm pretty sure explosive is more dangerous than flammable.
Have you ever watched a Tesla explode?
https://youtu.be/uV2cwqdHuTA
Kathy said :
So, all cars are equally dangerous to drive and have that same possible event. It's not a no deal situation. Volvo's do exist, so, I would have to disagree that all cars are equally dangerous to drive.
Kathy said :
As far as DC charging being disabled, yes this can happen for safety. This is more of a salvage car thing than it is a regular car thing. They absolutely disable supercharging on salvage vehicles. But, from what I've been reading, people are having their supercharging disabled for numerous reasons. One guy had his disabled because he "overparked" six minutes on a supercharger, and he didn't have a credit card linked to his Tesla account. They waived the fee, but disabled his supercharging:
I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
02-Dec-2020 20:29:02
I came across this thread too:
It was posted a couple of years ago, but it's still active today, at 126 pages. I haven't read all 126 pages, but the OP contends that his supercharging was disabled, and when he questioned Tesla about it, they told him he had exceeded his DC charging limit, which is why his supercharging had been disabled. He only had 30,000 miles on the car.
I found this related article as well which contained a statement from Tesla about it:
Original message details are unavailable.
“The peak charging rate possible in a li-ion cell will slightly decline after a very large number of high-rate charging sessions. This is due to physical and chemical changes inside of the cells. Our fast-charge control technology is designed to keep the battery safe and to preserve the maximum amount of cell capacity (range capability) in all conditions. To maintain safety and retain maximum range, we need to slow down the charge rate when the cells are too cold, when the state of charge is nearly full, and also when the conditions of the cell change gradually with age and usage. This change due to age and usage may increase total Supercharge time by about 5 minutes and less than 1% of our customers experience this.
Tesla is not slowing down charge rates to discourage frequent Supercharging – quite the opposite. We encourage our customers to use the Supercharger network at their discretion and we committed to doubling the number of worldwide chargers just this year. We also want to ensure that our customers have the best experience at those Superchargers and preserve as much vehicle range as possible – even after frequent usage.”
Tesla does acknowledge that they do limit/disable supercharging in various circumstances beyond just salvage vehicles. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/if-you-fast-charge-tesla-will-permanently-throttle-charging.90230/
It was posted a couple of years ago, but it's still active today, at 126 pages. I haven't read all 126 pages, but the OP contends that his supercharging was disabled, and when he questioned Tesla about it, they told him he had exceeded his DC charging limit, which is why his supercharging had been disabled. He only had 30,000 miles on the car.
I found this related article as well which contained a statement from Tesla about it:
https://electrek.co/2017/05/07/tesla-limits-supercharging-speed-number-charges/
Original message details are unavailable.
“The peak charging rate possible in a li-ion cell will slightly decline after a very large number of high-rate charging sessions. This is due to physical and chemical changes inside of the cells. Our fast-charge control technology is designed to keep the battery safe and to preserve the maximum amount of cell capacity (range capability) in all conditions. To maintain safety and retain maximum range, we need to slow down the charge rate when the cells are too cold, when the state of charge is nearly full, and also when the conditions of the cell change gradually with age and usage. This change due to age and usage may increase total Supercharge time by about 5 minutes and less than 1% of our customers experience this.
Tesla is not slowing down charge rates to discourage frequent Supercharging – quite the opposite. We encourage our customers to use the Supercharger network at their discretion and we committed to doubling the number of worldwide chargers just this year. We also want to ensure that our customers have the best experience at those Superchargers and preserve as much vehicle range as possible – even after frequent usage.”
Tesla does acknowledge that they do limit/disable supercharging in various circumstances beyond just salvage vehicles. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
02-Dec-2020 20:40:00 - Last edited on 02-Dec-2020 20:40:36 by NexOrigin
And since this thread is all about electric car charging stations, here are some videos of electric cars blowing up while charging at charging stations:
Electric Eco car on fire problem burn damage hybrid tesla problem in battery charger
Electric car charging catches on fire and explodes
electric vehicle Fire and explosion
And Hyundai just recalled 77,000 EV's due to a risk of battery explosion:
Hyundai to recall 77,000 Kona EV over risk of battery fire | Automobile News | Economy
Kind of like the Kona that blew up inside a man's garage in Montreal last year. It literally blew the roof, the garage door, and the walls off the garage.
Exploding Kona EV in Montreal prompts investigation from Hyundai
Electric Eco car on fire problem burn damage hybrid tesla problem in battery charger
https://youtu.be/Le6KNI9YsH0
Electric car charging catches on fire and explodes
https://youtu.be/YUPijbhi43Y
electric vehicle Fire and explosion
https://youtu.be/JW-ALAab7zE
And Hyundai just recalled 77,000 EV's due to a risk of battery explosion:
Hyundai to recall 77,000 Kona EV over risk of battery fire | Automobile News | Economy
https://youtu.be/W7yk_nuZWoI
Kind of like the Kona that blew up inside a man's garage in Montreal last year. It literally blew the roof, the garage door, and the walls off the garage.
Exploding Kona EV in Montreal prompts investigation from Hyundai
https://driving.ca/hyundai/auto-news/news/exploding-kona-ev-in-montreal-prompts-investigation-from-hyundai
I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
02-Dec-2020 21:09:45
NexOrigin
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They absolutely disable supercharging on salvage vehicles. But, from what I've been reading, people are having their supercharging disabled for numerous reasons. One guy had his disabled because he "overparked" six minutes on a supercharger, and he didn't have a credit card linked to his Tesla account. They waived the fee, but disabled his supercharging: In that instance I think that's more down to the fact that without an active Credit card on file, you can't get charged for Supercharging or the idle fees that apply afterwards, similarly if your card expires on your RuneScape account or there's an issue, there's a risk your membership gets suspended.
I guess EV makers are going to have to be very safety conscious especially when it comes to the batteries. Thankfully as far as Tesla is concerned, compared with the number of them now on the roads, those that have caught fire is extremely minimal and most occurred after a crash. But even so, theres been of accidents Tesla's have been involved in which hasn't resulted in any battery explosion
In reality, they're rated one of the safest vehicles on the road on a number of judging factors so that gives me confidence
I think the battery management software also does an awesome job of protecting the battery against extreme temperatures, over-charging and so on.
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They absolutely disable supercharging on salvage vehicles. But, from what I've been reading, people are having their supercharging disabled for numerous reasons. One guy had his disabled because he "overparked" six minutes on a supercharger, and he didn't have a credit card linked to his Tesla account. They waived the fee, but disabled his supercharging: In that instance I think that's more down to the fact that without an active Credit card on file, you can't get charged for Supercharging or the idle fees that apply afterwards, similarly if your card expires on your RuneScape account or there's an issue, there's a risk your membership gets suspended.
I guess EV makers are going to have to be very safety conscious especially when it comes to the batteries. Thankfully as far as Tesla is concerned, compared with the number of them now on the roads, those that have caught fire is extremely minimal and most occurred after a crash. But even so, theres been of accidents Tesla's have been involved in which hasn't resulted in any battery explosion
In reality, they're rated one of the safest vehicles on the road on a number of judging factors so that gives me confidence
I think the battery management software also does an awesome job of protecting the battery against extreme temperatures, over-charging and so on.
Joel
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02-Dec-2020 23:13:31
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