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To be honest I'd be more concerned with things like growing data centres housing thousands upon thousands of servers as tech advances, requiring cooling solutions etc, and more devices becoming smarter and inter-connected through the Internet and utilizing cloud storage. This area which requires huge amounts of energy has been relatively OK so far.
In regards to your last comment, can we just ignore my green background please? I'm not here having a discussion as a moderator, but as a player. We can have differences of opinion, that's fine and is what drives discussion which I enjoy and not once have I said 'you are wrong' because you're not. Drawing parallels between this and past situations which were completely different in nature is just really not appropriate.
That being said, my reference to misconceptions goes back more to what I was saying before about the unknowns. EVs are still new, a large % of the population still know nothing or very little about EVs because we've not needed to know, and that alone can spark fear and anxiety. If we're talking about this 10 year deadline, I just think it's important to make clear what impact we're referring to, that we're talking about 2 million or so vehicles, in a small % of people who will at that time choose to buy a new car rather than talking about an impact to everybody and converting the entire 38+ million registered vehicles all at once because they are drastically different goals.
Your concerns about power infrastructure are completely valid and I hope the government can provide the right incentives, do the right things in order to achieve this 10 year deadline. Time will tell
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To be honest I'd be more concerned with things like growing data centres housing thousands upon thousands of servers as tech advances, requiring cooling solutions etc, and more devices becoming smarter and inter-connected through the Internet and utilizing cloud storage. This area which requires huge amounts of energy has been relatively OK so far.
In regards to your last comment, can we just ignore my green background please? I'm not here having a discussion as a moderator, but as a player. We can have differences of opinion, that's fine and is what drives discussion which I enjoy and not once have I said 'you are wrong' because you're not. Drawing parallels between this and past situations which were completely different in nature is just really not appropriate.
That being said, my reference to misconceptions goes back more to what I was saying before about the unknowns. EVs are still new, a large % of the population still know nothing or very little about EVs because we've not needed to know, and that alone can spark fear and anxiety. If we're talking about this 10 year deadline, I just think it's important to make clear what impact we're referring to, that we're talking about 2 million or so vehicles, in a small % of people who will at that time choose to buy a new car rather than talking about an impact to everybody and converting the entire 38+ million registered vehicles all at once because they are drastically different goals.
Your concerns about power infrastructure are completely valid and I hope the government can provide the right incentives, do the right things in order to achieve this 10 year deadline. Time will tell
Joel
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01-Dec-2020 22:45:10
Unless there's a massive improvement in technology and infrastructure ( including electricity generating capacity ) I will be sticking to petrol cars while they're available. I still sometimes need to drive around 250 miles in a day if I visit my youngest son and come straight home afterwards. The stress of worrying about being able to recharge while travelling isn't good for someone my age.
If I had an EV I wouldn't be able to recharge at his home because he lives in a flat. At the moment I can easily get there and back without refuelling. The cost of an EV would probably also affect my decision.
If I had an EV I wouldn't be able to recharge at his home because he lives in a flat. At the moment I can easily get there and back without refuelling. The cost of an EV would probably also affect my decision.
01-Dec-2020 23:10:05
Joel
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Trying to steer back to the original topic of discussion Yeah, it's getting a bit off... maybe we could discuss it in a different thread or something. I mean, there's a lot to unpack with that topic.
FiFi LaFeles said :
I think Dong saying "Not all homes are equipped for electric cars" is more a reference to the homes which actually cannot undertake the charging of them. Apparently one third of homes in the UK do not have this capacity due to them being high rise flats, accommodation with no off-street parking and so forth. Ah, I see what you're saying. I'm from Canada. We have cold winters. Most parking for high rises around here have outlets at the front of the parking spots, so people can plug their engine heater in overnight.
Dong U Dead said :
@NexOrigin - how long does it take to fill your car with gas??
I found this piece when I googled charging electric cars: The time it takes to charge an electric car can be as little as 30 minutes or more than 12 hours. This depends on the size of the battery and the speed of the charging point. A typical electric car (60kWh battery) takes just under 8 hours to charge from empty-to-full with a 7kW charging point.
So my point being near all car parks will need a charger... Most public charging stations are fast chargers, because, as you illustrated, no one wants to wait hours for their car to charge at a public charge station. But, you don't need to charge your battery to 100%, just as you don't have to fill gas tank to the "Full" line. You can go and plug your car in for 10 minutes if you want, if you don't have far to go, or if your charge is half full already.
Sure, it's highly convenient to be able to charge your car at home, but, most people don't fill up their gas tank at home either though. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
Trying to steer back to the original topic of discussion Yeah, it's getting a bit off... maybe we could discuss it in a different thread or something. I mean, there's a lot to unpack with that topic.
FiFi LaFeles said :
I think Dong saying "Not all homes are equipped for electric cars" is more a reference to the homes which actually cannot undertake the charging of them. Apparently one third of homes in the UK do not have this capacity due to them being high rise flats, accommodation with no off-street parking and so forth. Ah, I see what you're saying. I'm from Canada. We have cold winters. Most parking for high rises around here have outlets at the front of the parking spots, so people can plug their engine heater in overnight.
Dong U Dead said :
@NexOrigin - how long does it take to fill your car with gas??
I found this piece when I googled charging electric cars: The time it takes to charge an electric car can be as little as 30 minutes or more than 12 hours. This depends on the size of the battery and the speed of the charging point. A typical electric car (60kWh battery) takes just under 8 hours to charge from empty-to-full with a 7kW charging point.
So my point being near all car parks will need a charger... Most public charging stations are fast chargers, because, as you illustrated, no one wants to wait hours for their car to charge at a public charge station. But, you don't need to charge your battery to 100%, just as you don't have to fill gas tank to the "Full" line. You can go and plug your car in for 10 minutes if you want, if you don't have far to go, or if your charge is half full already.
Sure, it's highly convenient to be able to charge your car at home, but, most people don't fill up their gas tank at home either though. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
02-Dec-2020 03:10:12
I get it though. I mean, not everyone has the money to buy a Tesla with a fast charger on it. Sure, some people will probably order a Changli Vehicle for like $900 (usd, brand new), which won't come with a fast charger, and will have to be plugged into normal 110v wall socket.
So, I guess you get what you pay for.
But, I see your point though. I mean, if you're being forced by law to have an electric vehicle, they should be providing everyone with a charging station, should they not have one and require one.
Of course, when I say "they should be providing", what that actually means is that you'll have to pay for it, since the government gets money from you.
And then it comes down to people having to pay for things that they don't get to use. Not everyone will be provided with a charging station. Those who don't will still pay the same taxes as those who do.
So it's a catch 22.
The only real solution I guess... would be for the government to not provide that service, and not tax people for it, and should people require that service, I suppose they could pay for it themselves. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
So, I guess you get what you pay for.
But, I see your point though. I mean, if you're being forced by law to have an electric vehicle, they should be providing everyone with a charging station, should they not have one and require one.
Of course, when I say "they should be providing", what that actually means is that you'll have to pay for it, since the government gets money from you.
And then it comes down to people having to pay for things that they don't get to use. Not everyone will be provided with a charging station. Those who don't will still pay the same taxes as those who do.
So it's a catch 22.
The only real solution I guess... would be for the government to not provide that service, and not tax people for it, and should people require that service, I suppose they could pay for it themselves. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
02-Dec-2020 03:20:36
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