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Joel
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@Citi, yeah I don't think Musk & Tesla are looking to crush competition as that really defeats Tesla's goals and aspirations of having an entirely EV fleet worldwide. It's exactly why in Norway they're trialing non-Tesla's using their charging network because the idea is in the future when there's more superchargers that Tesla can open them up to all EVs.

But, on the flip side of that, Tesla can't baby other automakers into making the right decisions when some just blatantly think they're better because they've been around for longer. If they continue with that attitude, they're in for a shock.

It'll be great when Tesla can start production on a $25kUSD car they've mentioned in the past. Maybe more news of that comes in 2022.

My buddy who now has the Model S Plaid also pre-ordered the Cybertruck last year lol, as much as his wife told him not to :P

What's amazing about the Hertz deal is - there isn't really a 'deal'. Usually when rental companies approach an automaker they do so and get a bulk order with a discount per unit.

Tesla essentially turned around and essentially said 'we have a supply issue right now, not demand. So if you want Tesla's, you'll need to pay market price same as everyone else and make orders through our website' which Hertz now have a team of people doing.

And Hertz went for it, and is doing free advertising for Tesla in the process. And what happens when you now have a more accessible way to drive a Tesla... you'll get a decent % looking to buy one off the back of that :P (and right now its just Hertz, we'll see who else follows)
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14-Dec-2021 15:13:39

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My husband's car is going in for a repair in January and he's asked for a courtesy car for the day. He asked if they had an electric model to use as he thought it'd be a good way to try one out but they only have non EVs at the moment although they do have electric models in their range.

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Joel
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If you get the chance to drive an EV, definitely go for it! Even if its contacting a dealership and asking for a test drive. Not sure about regular dealerships, I know they can get pretty pushy and turn on the salesman act pretty strong but when I booked a 30min test drive at my local Tesla dealership, there was no pressure at all.

I'm 100% certain they'd be more than happy having someone take one for a test drive to experience an EV even if it meant you weren't looking to buy immediately.

Hopefully in Jan they have one to give your husband for the day :)

So far after 13 months of ownership, mine has cost approx. $10 in maintenance :P (2x windscreen washer fluid at $5 a pop)

I still need to calculate all of my charging costs for the year to compare it to what I used to budget in fuel prior to that.
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14-Dec-2021 22:40:05

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And the loss taken between the purchased price and the current market value + and financing costs.

For instance, taking into consideration the remaining life of my vehicle, I am operating at the 600-1k price range per year for my vehicle before gas/maintenance.

At 25k, assuming a 25 year life span...which is unlikely... would be 1k a year. A more realistic approach would probably be 25k over 10 years, which is about 2.5k a year. Assuming you paid 25k for your car, which idfk.

I'm genuinely curious though, what is your "base" cost per year for your cars? I honestly could probably even get my gas cost for the year as my budgeted gas cost is about 50 biweekly which is 52/2 = 26 * 50 = 1.3k a year. Probably closer to 1.5k with vacations.

So all together, I pay roughly 2.5k a year for my vehicle save for maintenance (like oil changes and other routine things). Which, actually isn't too far off from the electric car given no financing and the electric cost to charge it is negligible. And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

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With our increasingly high electricity prices over the winter there have been days where it has been equally as expensive to charge up an electric car at home with your own charger as it has been to fill up another car with diesel.
Plus the southerners recently had a traffic jam due to heavy snowfall where cars were stuck in traffic for 10+ and ran out of electric power leaving them stranded. Emergency crew with ATVs and snowmobiles had to come and rescue them.

The future is now.

And this year I had the 60k kilometres service and renewal of the rustprotective and soundproofing undercoating on my car, so I reckon I'll be a bit higher than usual.
Wheel alignment and new rims for next spring too, though I suppose I can file that under 'maintenance'.

15-Dec-2021 03:08:58

Joel
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@Averia :)
Granted the cost of EVs (especially Tesla) right now are typically higher than your typical gas car as is the case with all new technology. Tesla have positioned themselves extremely well to produce on mass and well on their way to being able to bring costs down and therefore offer cheaper cars and still turn a profit while the other automakers at this stage cannot produce them on mass and not without a loss and I don't see that changing soon.

There will come a point in time when the buying an ICE car over an EV will make absolutely no sense in terms of cost. They'll cost either comparatively the same to buy or close to (maybe even cheaper for what you get) but have the added high maintenance and fuel costs associated with them.

Averia Light said :
I'm genuinely curious though, what is your "base" cost per year for your cars? My car costs approx. $500cad a month in finance and $200cad a month in insurance. Previously I had a chevy cruze that cost me $340cad a month in finance and insurance relatively the same.

So lets say I'm spending $160 more a month to have the car but it is just a nicer car so for me, that accounts for the extra I'm paying.

In a given year on that Cruze I'd need to do an oil change or two and a service with that which if I recall, was approx. $200/$400 each time and then I'd budget $80cad a month for gas.

So in a given year my running costs would be:

Cruze:
- Maintenance lets say an avg $600 per year (2x an avg $300)
- Gas on avg $960 per year ($80x12)

Model 3:
- Maintenance the last 12 months: $10 (2x windscreen washer fluid)
- Charging costs approx: $385 (23k KM)
(There's some free charging in there too from public charging, when at AirB&Bs etc)

That's a pretty decent saving. But yes, I paid more upfront and its financed for longer. So when purchase prices drop (which is the main issue right now) the running costs are without doubt cheaper :)
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15-Dec-2021 14:56:38

Joel
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What do you guys pay for electricity at home? Just curious.

Here in Toronto it costs about 8c per kWh off peak overnight. My car is a 56kWh battery (0.08x56=$4.48). So $4.48 gives me about 380km of range on average ($0.01 per km approx.). On my Cruze I'd easily pay $40/$50 a tank (probably $50/$60) these days for about 650km. So if we did 50/650 = 0.07. So $0.07 per km in gas VS $0.01 per km in an EV.

Supercharging costs more (if you're doing a road trip) so could be somewhere in the region of $0.03/$0.05 per km maybe from what I remember calculating before. I did a 12 hour round trip to Montreal from Toronto for $40. Cost my mate in his gas car $120.


Aside from all that, I'm hopeful that the cost to buy an EV will drop and not just for Tesla but other automakers as well which will massively help the majority of car buyers/owners to feel more comfortable making that leap to something 'new' and remove any barriers to EV ownership.

Tesla just happens to be miles ahead in removing those barriers to alleviate the fear of things like "Will the battery catch fire?", "How long will the battery last?", "What if I run out of range and get stuck?", "What if there's a power cut?". They're all valid concerns but they can be answered :)

I also think for many people right now, because we're still in early adoption phase there's still a lot of unknowns from people. To that point, I often get questions when I go places, park up etc from people who are genuinely curious about EVs. It's usually up north and outside of the city through as Tesla's are more common in the city.

As you can tell, I've become somewhat of an EV advocate and passionately so :P That said, I'm not blind to the current high cost to buy and continuing work needed on charging infrastructure. :)
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15-Dec-2021 15:24:12

Joel
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Seeker said :
Plus the southerners recently had a traffic jam due to heavy snowfall where cars were stuck in traffic for 10+ and ran out of electric power leaving them stranded. Emergency crew with ATVs and snowmobiles had to come and rescue them. I read some recent calculation someone did comparing a typical gas car VS an electric car if both were to get stuck in the snow and stranded etc.

EVs use very little energy when stationary. If you just ran the HVAC to keep the car decently heated, maybe even used heated seats which would be even more efficient it would last a lot longer than a typical gas car running their engine to keep warm. But obviously who knows of unique situations where maybe someone doesn't have a full charge etc

But if I had the choice if I were to be stranded.. being stuck in my quiet energy efficient EV watching YouTube or Netflix with the heat on would be my choice :P
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15-Dec-2021 15:34:03

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The price has dropped a bit after the politicians got involved, but at the end of november we were at 3-4 NOK per kWh, which is around 0.33-0.44 USD. Something that was dubbed "the new normal" at the time.

A report from earlier this week showed that we're currently exporting 17 times as much power as we import. At a time where the water reservoirs are at 62% filling, as opposed to the 75.8% that's the average at the same time point over the last 20 years.
The new NordLink cable for export to the EU will get even busier in the not too distant future with Germany in the progress of shutting down their last remaining nuclear plants, and as a result will depend even more on import for their power needs.

The end consumer suffers because the power companies want to sell off our natural resources to the highest bidder.

16-Dec-2021 01:39:44

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