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My understanding of it is that given the choice between the vaccine and catching it on purpose - the vaccine, being controlled, is far safer.
The alternative is a bit of a lottery. The particular set of circumstances that triggers the very nasty immune response is poorly understood.
If you contract it on purpose, you will gain similar immunity to that the vaccine would give. Unless you get the nasty immune response, in which case you risk very serious complications, not least of which is death.

The problem is that with no antibodies, its hard to predict what our immune systems will do. Some will go way overboard, leading to problems.
The vaccine, being made in a test tube is designed to strengthen out immune systems in a very specific way, against a particular component of the virus.

Apologies if this is rather incoherent, I've been awake for far too long.

16-Jan-2021 13:39:46

FiFi LaFeles

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It's OK, you are clear :)

The medical parlance left me a bit confused. I was thinking that if catching the virus in the wild could cause serious adverse immune responses then surely a vaccine-induced immune reaction would/could do the same.

But if the vaccine is selecting to induce only certain, beneficial, responses then ... yeah.
I get it now. Thanks !
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16-Jan-2021 13:51:43

Dong U Dead

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As of today, there are 82 active cases in New Zealand facilities.
"Pre-departure testing will soon be expanded to include all countries excluding Australia, Antarctica and some Pacific Island nations:

1News: Ten new cases of Covid-19 caught at New Zealand's border since Friday.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/ten-new-cases-covid-19-caught-zealands-border-since-friday

82 active cases in my country - even though in quarantine it's still a very thin line between the active cases and the rest of the country. If this virus gets into our communities again it could become quite serious very fast as we have seen in other countries. So I hope they the officials keep on top it.
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17-Jan-2021 02:12:52

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Tenebri said :
Dong U Dead said :
Tenebri said :
FiFi LaFeles said :
2_Tron said :
Life is given to every individual. If & when Life is attacked by 'well-being/prosperity' and disrespectfully treated as something that is owned/managed by ourselves and nothing else, Life will strike back to restore balance.
Do some research about the past, for example when plagues did occur, and far further in History where the human population was decimated. ;)



So why don't you do what you promised - take your silly winky emote which is utterly meaningless and does not impart you with the mystique of some sort of 'insider wisdom' .....



its like the winky face was some kind of mic drop.

but yes i agree with you fifi. healthy life style has nothing to do with a virus we could all of been going to gym 5 days a week eating super healthy, but a virus or disease can take hold of us and wipe the human existence off the face of the earth. eating healthy has nothing to do with it


cause effect relation.

If you have a healthy life style, which includes a healthy diet will help fight against any viruses and diseases.


the conversation is about contracting the virus. not a miracle cure or inability to get it

ofc being obese or malnourished will effect this, cause that effects everything....

Being healthy has a lot to do with it.

You could have a dozen or more people come into contact with an infected person each having the same allocated time and space, not everyone will pick up the virus. I am not sure why or how some pick it up. I don't feel it's pot luck either, I feel it has to do with oneself, your body as a whole, how you interact with yourself, care for yourself - so yes I feel health has a lot to do with it.
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17-Jan-2021 02:21:54

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FiFi LaFeles said :
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Can't post a link to the exact posts as that thread is now locked.
However, pages 116 and 125 are worth reading. A lively discussion on herd immunity.

No lies have been spread, lol.

ToP BaSS said :
Dong U Dead said :


Closing the boarders was what worked for us.


What is in your favour above all is your diminutive population of about 5 mil - as opposed to UK (NB - UK not "England&quot ;) 66 mil or USA 328 mil - higher populations and increased demographic densities have a greater potential for virus spread. The greater the population = the greater the chances lockdown will be breeched.

I am glad to see you are no longer advocating 'herd immunity' madness.

FOR THE LAST TIME I HAVE NEVER
ADVOCATED
HEARD IMMUNITY.


Stop twisting my words.

Fifi's post quoted, read the pages between pages 116 and 125, actually if you read all from me in both threads, mostly the first thread you will see I ADVOCATE for mask wearing, I ADVOCATE for keeping your distance, I ADVOCATE for lockdown, I ADVOCATE for listening to authorities. I ADVOCATE to keep our hospitals empty. I ADVOCATE to protect our vulnerable all from COVID-19. Not once have I ADVOCATED for heard immunity over the last year, not once. Certain people like to twist my words and they do it very well.

Read my threads and you will see I have never ADVOCATED for HEARD IMMUNITY FROM COVID-19!!

Once a vaccine is out for Covid, once the vulnerable and elderly are protected, our communities are not riddled with Covid, our hospitals aren't overrun with Covid, Covid is under control, authorities have started this could take a couple of years, then and only then I feel it would be best to catch the virus and let it take it's course, heard immunity with working, tested vaccines for those that want it.

As a majority of People heal wi

To continue...
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17-Jan-2021 03:47:22

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As a majority of People heal with no ill-effects from Covid-19 it will be safe to contract the disease to build an immunity from it. As long as the vulnerable and elderly are safe and our hospitals are not over run.

Page 96 and this post thread 23-24-581-66177526 is my thoughts on Heard Immunity.
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17-Jan-2021 03:54:53

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As a majority of People heal with no ill-effects from Covid-19 it will be safe to contract the disease to build an immunity from it. As long as the vulnerable and elderly are safe and our hospitals are not over run.

Page 96 and this post thread 23-24-581-66177526 is my thoughts on Heard Immunity.
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17-Jan-2021 03:54:55

Dong U Dead

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@FiFi LaFeles page 94, post 10. I never stated
Being fat does not increase your chances of contracting this virus.
I never said this.

This is what I stated:

It has been proven if you're obese, have a unhealthy life style or underlying problem Covid can hit you harder and possibly more fatal.
<- tell me where did I state you can contact the virus by being obese??

You seem to twist my words Fifi.

Also can you tell me the post number and page you refer to about you disagreeing with me on 'Heard Immunity was the way to beat the virus'. As I never said this, and would love read it myself.
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17-Jan-2021 04:06:25

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