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NexOrigin

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Joel said :
As of the new measures implemented today, which is what we've been discussing, anybody arriving into Canada by air must now pre-book in advance their 3 night hotel stay at one of the approved hotels. The exact number of nights depends on when their results come back from their test upon arrival. For a negative result, you return home providing you have a quarantine plan & for a positive result you spend the remainder of the 14 days isolation some other government facility, facilities of which aren't new. They've been in use for a while now, more so for individuals to voluntarily stay if they don't have a suitable location to isolate (e.g they live with a vulnerable person).
Whether your test returns positive or negative, you're required to quarantine for 14 days:

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You are not excluded from quarantine, even if you have:

- tested negative for COVID-19
- been vaccinated for COVID-19
- recovered from COVID-19
https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/isolation


You don't get to decide if you get to go home. They get to decide if your home qualifies as somewhere that can used for quarantine. If they decide you can't quarantine at home, because someone else lives in the home who didn't travel with you, then you get sent to the federal covid sleepover center:

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Those who arrive in Canada without a suitable place to quarantine will be transferred to a federal designated quarantine facility for the full 14 day quarantine period.


There is a listing of places that aren't considered suitable for quarantine. (see previous link)
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23-Feb-2021 02:24:13 - Last edited on 23-Feb-2021 02:26:35 by NexOrigin

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In England ( the other parts of the UK are making their own plans ) there is light at the end of the tunnel. There is a plan for leaving lockdown and ending restrictions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56169616

I just hope people don't get impatient and act foolishly and cause the planned stages to get delayed.

23-Feb-2021 13:30:40

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NexOrigin said :
You literally linked me to the "COVID-19 mandatory hotel stopover" webpage:

Do you know why you don't see the Radisson on the list of "Government Approved Hotels" on that webpage? Because those are for the 3 day mandatory stayovers.

The Radisson is being used for a 14 day covid sleepover center.
Yes, because that is what this 3 day hotel period is, for anyone arriving into Canada. Perhaps 'stopover' is misleading you to think its referring to anyone on a 'layover' travelling through Canada. That isn't the case. This is the information applicable to those arriving into Canada.

https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/border#transit-air

^ Like I said, anyone travelling through Canada must remain within a secure area of the airport and their flight must depart within 24 hours of their first flight arriving, else then they're subject to hotel quarantining (which is logical given you don't want people hanging around in the airport for extended periods, 24 hours is more than reasonable)

So as I was saying, anyone arriving into Canada who has to pre-book a hotel at their own cost will remain there until their test results come back, if the results are negative, providing they have a sufficient quarantine plan (which also isn't new, people have had to do that since last year) they can return home or their location of choice to carry out the remainder of their 14 day quarantine.

As I also said, only if you test positive and/or do not have a sufficient quarantine plan will you be directed to stay at one of the government's other designated places of isolation.

So again, the reality is, only a small % of those would actually go into the government designated locations, should people still choose to travel against advice & should they test positive and/or not have a sufficient quarantine plan upon returning.
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23-Feb-2021 13:58:03

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Megycal said :
In England ( the other parts of the UK are making their own plans ) there is light at the end of the tunnel. There is a plan for leaving lockdown and ending restrictions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56169616

I just hope people don't get impatient and act foolishly and cause the planned stages to get delayed.
Yep, bunch of friends back in the UK were discussing the changes in our WhatsApp group about the roadmap to returning to normal.

The UK vaccine rollout is the only thing to have gone really well so far so hopefully that stays on track and that allows people to return to normal asap :)
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23-Feb-2021 13:59:22

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I doubt it will run smoothly. They're opening the Pubs for 'outdoor drinking only'.
I daresay it might not be too bad hereabouts where people are contained in the relative calm of small beer gardens (I won't dwell on they have to go indoors to use the loo, in a possibly increasingly inebriated state).

However, this is carte blanche for the mass street drinking venues in London and other large cities to recommence where all pretence of social distancing and appropriate behaviour goes completely awry.

So, third wave incoming. Or is it the fourth now? I can barely remember life before Covid.
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23-Feb-2021 14:08:14 - Last edited on 23-Feb-2021 14:09:19 by FiFi LaFeles

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Joel said :
As I also said, only if you test positive and/or do not have a sufficient quarantine plan will you be directed to stay at one of the government's other designated places of isolation.
Sure, that's what you said, but, in reality, that's not what's happening. People are being convinced that they HAVE to stay at the covid sleepover camps, regardless of testing or quarantine plan. You can watch the interviews where what people are saying, don't line up with what the government is saying.

These people are made to feel that they have no choice in the matter.

And, well, as it turns out, they're not being given a choice at this point. What they're doing in unconstitutional. The notwithstanding clause hasn't been invoked, yet the constitutional rights of these people are being violated.

But, hey, who cares about that when those people "chose to travel", right?

I mean, it's not like you're going to get arrested for being outside, right? It's not like anyone is going to force YOU into a covid sleepover camp, are they?

Well, no one really knows at this point. All we know is people are being forced and coerced into these covid sleepover camps, and you're defending that.

When they come for you, I'll still be defending you, your rights, and everyone else. Maybe you'll do the same at that point. :)
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23-Feb-2021 15:12:29

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Ok, so we're cleared up on the 'stopover' / 'layover' confusion right? Great.

Look, I'm just outlining what the guidelines are that they've put in place. I'm not going to start casting judgements on individual scenarios of people apparently being forced into these isolation locations etc when I/we don't have the full picture or story of what happened, whether they feel as though they had a sufficient quarantine plan when in fact perhaps they did not, that would be unclear and honestly, I'm not sure if this is really the place to dive into detailed discussions like that because of those reasons.

I'm also all for people knowing their rights, I've never been against that. But this all came about because you started to use unnecessary harsh language in an attempt to stoke fear and this isn't the first, second or third time you've been asked to refrain from doing that here.

And here we are again, a new day. and you're again making "When they come for you" type remarks which again just stokes fear. If this is the sort of thing you really love to discuss so much, I'm sure there's many conspiratorial message boards out there that are for that purpose. As it stands, there's no evidence to suggest anybody is going to get snatched from their homes, or that the powers that be are 'coming for you' anymore than they would in normal times, should someone choose to break the law.

Discussion about these things is fine (obviously, as we have been doing) but misrepresenting situations, making them out to be more than what they are, using harsher than necessary language to draw comparisons to more serious events that have happened in history as if this is somehow the same type of situation just isn't acceptable and I think more than enough leeway has been given with regards to this. :)
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23-Feb-2021 16:44:15

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Joel said :
As it stands, there's no evidence to suggest anybody is going to get snatched from their homes
What are you talking about? Do you not realize that the police are going to people's homes to issue fines and make arrests for allegedly violating emergency orders?

Police arrest 2 people and fine 6 for violating Quebec's Covid-19 lockdown orders at a 7-person house party
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/americas/canada-covid-19-lockdown-arrests/index.html


What do you call it when the police show up and arrest people because they claim there is one too many people in the house?


Are you just willfully ignoring instances like this so you can try and claim I'm making baseless accusations or promoting wild conspiracy theories?

Or are you seriously this ignorant to what is actually going on?

Like I've said, I have no issues providing citations to back up any claim I make. Just ask.

But don't claim I'm engaging in conspiracy theories simply because you haven't bothered to do your own research, and haven't bothered to ask for a citation.


Your ignorance isn't my offence.
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23-Feb-2021 17:13:42

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