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I have a question.

If the covid vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting the virus, and it doesn't prevent transmission of the virus, is it actually a vaccine? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

26-Dec-2020 00:05:46

26-Dec-2020 04:58:49 - Last edited on 26-Dec-2020 22:20:07 by Icy Spring

Icy Spring said :
The vaccines were tested by measuring how many people in the control group caught COVID-19 compared to those in the vaccinated group - from this, we know that the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are both 90+% effective at preventing symptomatic cases and/or severe illness. However, what we don't know is how many people in the vaccinated group developed asymptomatic cases and could therefore potentially still spread the virus. The vaccines will definitely protect you. It's less clear if you being vaccinated will protect others.

The reason why we [the USA] are not projected to see fewer cases, hospitalizations, fatalities, and so on until 100+ million Americans are vaccinated is because every infected person must, on average, infect < 1 person in order to halt the spread of disease. So if the we assume the average person is currently infecting 4 other people then that would require 3/4 to be immune, i.e. a vaccination rate of at least 75%. With 200,000+ confirmed cases being recorded daily (the true number is likely higher, given that an estimated 20-40% of infections are asymptomatic) things are going to get worse before they get better.

I'd seriously recommend that you stop sewing fear, uncertainty, and doubt about public health measures and the vaccine which is liable to get people killed. Aren't you doing the same?
Use 'probabilism' to calculate a possible risk using a very small audience as test subjects and let 'mathematics/algorithms/rolling -the-dice' decide what the outcome will be for billions upon billions of people on several different continents with different cultures all responding differently to the same treatment, because of different living conditions.

26-Dec-2020 14:38:54

Dong U Dead said :
New Zealand public health experts call for stricter border controls as COVID-19 mutates
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/12/new-zealand-public-health-experts-call-for-stricter-border-controls-as-covid-19-mutates.amp.html

I wonder how vaccines will go with the virus continuously mutating??

I know the flu vaccine changes each year, Covid-19 is a different ball game, it doesn't work the same as the flu, so I wonder if the vaccines can keep up with the different variants of the virus?? Good questions ... sadly there are no 'real-life test results' available and they have to be collected and processed for at least 5 years or more to figure out what is going on. However, the UK isn't really happy with sharing 'research results', or not at all, with the rest of the world but vice versa the rest of the world are sharing their 'research results' freely.

26-Dec-2020 14:44:17

Icy Spring said :
I'd seriously recommend that you stop sewing fear, uncertainty, and doubt about public health measures and the vaccine which is liable to get people killed. I've tried to ensure that I've cited sources for all the claims and facts that I've presented. Disseminating information isn't fearmongering. But, if it makes you feel better, then by all means, call me a fear monger, a conspiracy theorist, or whatever you like. I'm used to it. People have been calling me those all year long, since the very first day that the virus was discovered. I've repeatedly shown that the information being spread by "official sources" have been misinformation and incorrect on numerous occasions, and the claims that I was accused of being a "fear monger" and a "conspiracy theorist" to stating, were all proven true month and months later.

Think about it man... at a time when you were saying:
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No need to worry unless you find yourself stranded in a remote backwater populated by brutish and insular townspeople similar to Nip the Buds, Shoot the Kids
I was trying to warn people of what was actually happening. Maybe if people like you started paying attention to people like me, we wouldn't have ended up in this situation to being with. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

26-Dec-2020 22:28:16

Like, you wanna know why:
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I could only buy 2 of my usual 4 gallons of milk today, and it was the expensive organic kind because the regular was sold out. Dark times indeed.
I'll tell you. It's because the farmers were being paid to dump the milk,

The claim was that "there is no one to buy the milk":

https://youtu.be/sPOkSiD-sN8

But that's not actually true, as you personally found out. You wanted to buy the milk, but it wasn't available. There was an intentional food shortage this year. Produce and milk were being destroyed right after being harvested, and the government was paying them to destroy their produce and milk.

This was the first program the government instituted:

https://www.farmers.gov/cfap1

This was the second program (current one):

https://www.farmers.gov/cfap

People need to start paying attention to people like me. Otherwise, everyone will just be accepting the claim that "there is no one to buy the milk", when in fact, there were food shortages going on, that were being intentionally created. Think about it. There is has been such an excess of food production this year, yet, the cost of food has just steadily increased all year long.

But I'm just a fear monger, and a conspiracy theorist, right?

I mean, it's not like I can cite sources to corroborate my claims, right?

Except I can, and I have.

But for some people, it's easier to be fooled than it is to accept that they have been fooled. Cognitive dissonance prevents a lot of people from being able to accept that they have been fooled, or mislead by "official sources", and will try and defend those misleading claims by official sources, because they simply cannot accept that they were fooled.


If you want to challenge certain claims I have made, by all means, go for it, and I'll cite my sources. But don't just make vague accusations about "sowing fear, uncertainty, and doubt". I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

26-Dec-2020 22:36:59

Icy Spring said :
The vaccines will definitely protect you. Maybe, if it doesn't kill you. Take my sister for example; she has shellfish allergy. She can't take the Moderna vaccine. It would probably kill her.

This has already come to light, even after the initial warnings that people who may have certain allergic reactions should not be getting certain vaccines, with incidents such as this:

‘Scared to death’: Boston doctor suffers severe allergic reaction after Moderna vaccine

https://globalnews.ca/news/7542587/moderna-vaccine-allergic-reaction-boston-doctor/

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A U.S. doctor with a shellfish allergy suffered a severe allergic reaction on Christmas Eve after receiving Moderna’s coronavirus vaccine in the first week of its nationwide rollout, according to U.S. media reports.

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He told the Boston Globe it was the “worst allergic reaction” he had experienced as an adult.

“I really want people to take this seriously, those people who have severe allergic reactions,” he was quoted as saying by the newspaper.
I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

27-Dec-2020 04:50:52