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Tuffty
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Lockdowns do work.

The people who take no notice of them are idiots.

Right now some parts of the UK are in T4 meaning stay home and don't go anywhere. Did they listen. No they did not. 100's of cars full of people from T4 locations traveling to Wales to see the beauty spots were turned away and told to get back home by the Police. Total idiots who should be fined £10,000 each.

If people keep ignoring all the advice to stay at home we will not get rid of this bugger for years. It's these idiots who are spreading it all over the World.

Stay home and save lives including your own and your family. Selfish pratts.
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30-Dec-2020 11:49:08

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Megycal said :
The point is to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed by covid patients.
Are they overwhelmed though?

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In Q1 2020/21, the bed occupancy rate decreased sharply to 64%, after trusts were asked to discharge all inpatients who were medically fit to leave to free up capacity during the Covid-19 pandemic.
That's around 76,000 occupied beds, out of almost 120,000 available beds.
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/hospital-bed-occupancy#background


There are roughly 20,000 covid patients occupying beds at this point. That still leaves around 25,000 empty beds. That's roughly 80% capacity, which is still 10% lower than the normal average.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/


I can't find records for anything previous to August, but it would be interesting to see how they compare.


Leaks reveal two-thirds of private hospital capacity went unused by NHS
https://www.hsj.co.uk/finance-and-efficiency/leaks-reveal-two-thirds-of-private-hospital-capacity-went-unused-by-nhs/7029000.article


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Two-thirds of the private sector capacity that was block-purchased by the NHS — costing hundreds of millions of pounds — went unused by the service over the summer, despite rocketing long waits for operations, according to internal documents leaked to HSJ.
It seems like there has been more than enough hospital beds to accommodate the influx.

It also seems like some patients were pushed out to make room for patients that never materialized:
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The data obtained by HSJ also suggested that only around a third of chemotherapy capacity was utilised, despite huge concern about delays for some cancer patients and their safety going to NHS facilities while covid is still spreading.
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30-Dec-2020 12:02:31

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Megycal said :
... But no matter what the regulations say there are people who have no sense of social responsibility. They don't care that even if they're OK they might be an asymptomatic carrier. They don't care or even give a thought to the fact they might pass the infection on to someone who will become very ill and could die. With attitudes like theirs its an uphill struggle to bring the infection rate under control.
You are flat-out saying that every individual that is not affected by covid-19 is 'an asymptomatic carrier' or 'super-spreader' making the rest of the population sick and ill.
That's quite something as you have no medical proof available nor the right research to back up your claims. The only thing is that you behave aggressive to people whom have proof themselves of not being sick, getting sick nor their environment they live in.
Or do you like to say that if someone else 15 kilometers further away is getting sick then we are the potential spreaders that made this person sick? :P

30-Dec-2020 12:25:42

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Tuffty said :
Lockdowns do work.

The people who take no notice of them are idiots.

Right now some parts of the UK are in T4 meaning stay home and don't go anywhere. Did they listen. No they did not. 100's of cars full of people from T4 locations traveling to Wales to see the beauty spots were turned away and told to get back home by the Police. Total idiots who should be fined £10,000 each.

If people keep ignoring all the advice to stay at home we will not get rid of this bugger for years. It's these idiots who are spreading it all over the World.

Stay home and save lives including your own and your family. Selfish pratts.
Should I listen to a group of people who have the power but all act like a bunch parrots and whom will claim that money makes better sense then living a healthy life?
A lot of scientists/medical scientists right now use a lot of 'backwards-engineering' to make up a story rather than actually offer proof to prove about what you say 'could' be a vaild point.

If they wanna make a valid point the police had to test them on the spot, where they broke the rules, and after a while in the future test them again to see if you claim is really a valid claim. ;)

30-Dec-2020 12:34:07

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Covid-19 or different forms of this virus are already 40-50 years on this planet which makes you wonder, do you really think that 'lockdowns' really do work?
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30-Dec-2020 12:40:36

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Tuffty said :
If people keep ignoring all the advice to stay at home we will not get rid of this bugger for years. It's these idiots who are spreading it all over the World.

Stay home and save lives including your own and your family. Selfish pratts.


Sums up the problem. A very sad group of people against basic measures for a way out, whether they be anti-vaccination, anti-mask, against any form of social distancing, etc. They are the problem, and the primary reason last resort measures have to be used. At this point it would seem like some want to prolong this pandemic just so they have something to whine about.

Thousands of people are losing their lives every day, whether that be directly or indirectly related to COVID-19. Hospitals particularly in the South East of England are becoming overwhelmed to the point of concern about deciding who lives and who dies. Staff morale is low as a result of workforce shortage and sickness absence is rising.
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30-Dec-2020 16:43:45

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Tuffty said :
Lockdowns do work.


My country, plus many others are proof of this.


- Over Christmas in California an idiot famous celebrity holding two community get togethers singing Christmas carols majority not wearing masks, nor keeping to a safe distance. Just blatant disregard to people's safety. It's times like this that celebrities should be encouraging people to stay safe.

- plus other celebrities jet setting around the world posting selfies hugging bff's...
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30-Dec-2020 17:14:01

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Megycal said :
NexOrigin said :
If the previous lockdowns worked, then why are they having another one?

If the previous lockdowns didn't work, then why are they having another one?


The lockdowns did work in that the daily case rate dropped. They aren't able to get rid of the virus entirely due to untested asymptomatic people in the population. However lockdowns slow the spread by flattening the curve. The point is to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed by covid patients. Once the daily infection rate drops then a loosening of restrictions is intended to help the economy. Imo often loosened a bit too soon and too much. Its a balancing act. But I do agree that the UK is too slow in implementing lockdowns.

But no matter what the regulations say there are people who have no sense of social responsibility. They don't care that even if they're OK they might be an asymptomatic carrier. They don't care or even give a thought to the fact they might pass the infection on to someone who will become very ill and could die. With attitudes like theirs its an uphill struggle to bring the infection rate under control.

They could get rid of it if they stay in lockdown longer, not coming out too soon. If you noticed all the counties that came out of lockdown to soon the community rate started to creep back up.

You need to stay in lockdown until it's cleared, you need to put people into isolation/quarantine motels or hotels with police guards - if you want it gone you need to be strict, no niceties here...
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30-Dec-2020 17:21:00

Megycal
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2_Tron said :
Megycal said :
... But no matter what the regulations say there are people who have no sense of social responsibility. They don't care that even if they're OK they might be an asymptomatic carrier. They don't care or even give a thought to the fact they might pass the infection on to someone who will become very ill and could die. With attitudes like theirs its an uphill struggle to bring the infection rate under control.
You are flat-out saying that every individual that is not affected by covid-19 is 'an asymptomatic carrier' or 'super-spreader' making the rest of the population sick and ill.
That's quite something as you have no medical proof available nor the right research to back up your claims. The only thing is that you behave aggressive to people whom have proof themselves of not being sick, getting sick nor their environment they live in.
Or do you like to say that if someone else 15 kilometers further away is getting sick then we are the potential spreaders that made this person sick? :P


I think you missed the word
might
in my post. Its a very important word because unless you get tested every day you have no way of knowing if you are an asymptomatic carrier or not. I did not say everyone without symptoms was a carrier and infecting other people.
Unless the proof people have of not being sick is a recent accurate negative test then there is always the
possibility
of someone being an asymptomatic carrier. That's a scientific fact even if you don't want to recognise it as such.

edit to add: My area is moving into tier 4 from midnight. Am I going to stick to the rules? Yes, of course I will.

30-Dec-2020 18:02:31 - Last edited on 30-Dec-2020 18:06:01 by Megycal

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