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28-Dec-2020 04:51:26 - Last edited on 28-Dec-2020 04:52:17 by NexOrigin
Icy Spring
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NexOrigin said :
The notion that all 272,000 people who got the vaccination had a shellfish allergy is just as nonsensical.
I literally said that without actually knowing what number of people with shellfish allergies actually got the vaccine, you can't make a determination on how many people it will actually affect.
Front line health care workers and people in nursing homes may not be fully representative of the general population, but you are completely delusional if you genuinely believe that these people are 900x less likely to be allergic to shellfish than the average person. The odds of this happening are so astronomically low as to be 0. Do you think people in healthcare facilities are more likely or less likely to be aware of current warnings about current medications, than the average person?
The warnings went out the medical communities long before they were being reported in the mainstream. Do you honestly believe that most healthcare worker with a severe allergy was just like "ah, who cares about the warnings, let's just see what happens"? That's what happened to the Doctor in Boston with the shellfish allergy, and why he's quite adamant about warning others at this point. He didn't take it seriously, and now he's there trying to warn others to take it seriously.
I get it, maybe you don't have a severe allergy, or don't know anyone with a severe allergy, so you're not taking this seriously, but, some of us do, and we do take things like that seriously.
You shouldn't be trying to marginalize those who suffer from serious allergies. They're people too. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
NexOrigin said :
The notion that all 272,000 people who got the vaccination had a shellfish allergy is just as nonsensical.
I literally said that without actually knowing what number of people with shellfish allergies actually got the vaccine, you can't make a determination on how many people it will actually affect.
Front line health care workers and people in nursing homes may not be fully representative of the general population, but you are completely delusional if you genuinely believe that these people are 900x less likely to be allergic to shellfish than the average person. The odds of this happening are so astronomically low as to be 0. Do you think people in healthcare facilities are more likely or less likely to be aware of current warnings about current medications, than the average person?
The warnings went out the medical communities long before they were being reported in the mainstream. Do you honestly believe that most healthcare worker with a severe allergy was just like "ah, who cares about the warnings, let's just see what happens"? That's what happened to the Doctor in Boston with the shellfish allergy, and why he's quite adamant about warning others at this point. He didn't take it seriously, and now he's there trying to warn others to take it seriously.
I get it, maybe you don't have a severe allergy, or don't know anyone with a severe allergy, so you're not taking this seriously, but, some of us do, and we do take things like that seriously.
You shouldn't be trying to marginalize those who suffer from serious allergies. They're people too. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
28-Dec-2020 05:08:28
Icy Spring
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>When asked to provide statistics You didn't ask me to provide any statistics.
Go ahead, quote the post in which you asked me to provide statistics. Go ahead. I'm waiting. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
>When asked to provide statistics You didn't ask me to provide any statistics.
Go ahead, quote the post in which you asked me to provide statistics. Go ahead. I'm waiting. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
28-Dec-2020 05:35:30
Dadizar
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Of the six allergic reactions to the vaccine, how many were by people specifically with shellfish allergies? How many people with shellfish allergies got vaccinated without issue? NexOrigin said :
How many of those vaccinations were given to people with shellfish allergies? That's an important number in the statistics. We don't have these numbers. I've already stated that: NexOrigin said :
The only thing that has been released as public information is that those with severe allergies are being warned not to take the virus, and there have been multiple cases of people having severe allergic reactions to the vaccine. If you have further information, then by all means, post it and cite the source.
Otherwise I'm not sure why you're asking me to provide information that I've already stated isn't publicly available?
Dadizar said :
Are either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines made with shellfish components? (not your opinion but evidence.) We don't know, at least not with the Moderna vaccine. I mean, SM-102 is proprietary. I don't think it's been disclosed what it is derived from. If you know what SM-102 is derived from, feel free to share it with the rest of the world.
It's important not to overlook things that may potentially cause deaths. Neither Moderna nor Pfizer allowed people with known anaphylactic allergies to participate in the clinical trials for specific reasons.
If something as simple as not getting the vaccine until there are other alternatives that are safe for those with allergies can help save even one life, then isn't that life worth saving?
You're telling people to do something as simple as "wearing a mask" to save lives, yet, you're somehow trying to condemn the notion that people with certain allergies should take precautions when dealing with the vaccine, when it could save their life. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
Of the six allergic reactions to the vaccine, how many were by people specifically with shellfish allergies? How many people with shellfish allergies got vaccinated without issue? NexOrigin said :
How many of those vaccinations were given to people with shellfish allergies? That's an important number in the statistics. We don't have these numbers. I've already stated that: NexOrigin said :
The only thing that has been released as public information is that those with severe allergies are being warned not to take the virus, and there have been multiple cases of people having severe allergic reactions to the vaccine. If you have further information, then by all means, post it and cite the source.
Otherwise I'm not sure why you're asking me to provide information that I've already stated isn't publicly available?
Dadizar said :
Are either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines made with shellfish components? (not your opinion but evidence.) We don't know, at least not with the Moderna vaccine. I mean, SM-102 is proprietary. I don't think it's been disclosed what it is derived from. If you know what SM-102 is derived from, feel free to share it with the rest of the world.
It's important not to overlook things that may potentially cause deaths. Neither Moderna nor Pfizer allowed people with known anaphylactic allergies to participate in the clinical trials for specific reasons.
If something as simple as not getting the vaccine until there are other alternatives that are safe for those with allergies can help save even one life, then isn't that life worth saving?
You're telling people to do something as simple as "wearing a mask" to save lives, yet, you're somehow trying to condemn the notion that people with certain allergies should take precautions when dealing with the vaccine, when it could save their life. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
28-Dec-2020 11:27:54
Dadizar
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Your fear mongering was on display here:
NexOrigin said :
Icy Spring said :
The vaccines will definitely protect you. Maybe, if it doesn't kill you.
"If it doesn't kill you" was not fear mongering at all was it
Here's the rest of the quote:
NexOrigin said :
Icy Spring said :
The vaccines will definitely protect you. Maybe, if it doesn't kill you. Take my sister for example; she has shellfish allergy. She can't take the Moderna vaccine. It would probably kill her.
This has already come to light, even after the initial warnings that people who may have certain allergic reactions should not be getting certain vaccines, with incidents such as this:
‘Scared to death’: Boston doctor suffers severe allergic reaction after Moderna vaccine
Original message details are unavailable.
A U.S. doctor with a shellfish allergy suffered a severe allergic reaction on Christmas Eve after receiving Moderna’s coronavirus vaccine in the first week of its nationwide rollout, according to U.S. media reports.
...
He told the Boston Globe it was the “worst allergic reaction” he had experienced as an adult.
“I really want people to take this seriously, those people who have severe allergic reactions,” he was quoted as saying by the newspaper.
Context is important. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
Your fear mongering was on display here:
NexOrigin said :
Icy Spring said :
The vaccines will definitely protect you. Maybe, if it doesn't kill you.
"If it doesn't kill you" was not fear mongering at all was it
Here's the rest of the quote:
NexOrigin said :
Icy Spring said :
The vaccines will definitely protect you. Maybe, if it doesn't kill you. Take my sister for example; she has shellfish allergy. She can't take the Moderna vaccine. It would probably kill her.
This has already come to light, even after the initial warnings that people who may have certain allergic reactions should not be getting certain vaccines, with incidents such as this:
‘Scared to death’: Boston doctor suffers severe allergic reaction after Moderna vaccine
https://globalnews.ca/news/7542587/moderna-vaccine-allergic-reaction-boston-doctor/
Original message details are unavailable.
A U.S. doctor with a shellfish allergy suffered a severe allergic reaction on Christmas Eve after receiving Moderna’s coronavirus vaccine in the first week of its nationwide rollout, according to U.S. media reports.
...
He told the Boston Globe it was the “worst allergic reaction” he had experienced as an adult.
“I really want people to take this seriously, those people who have severe allergic reactions,” he was quoted as saying by the newspaper.
Context is important. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
28-Dec-2020 11:35:04
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