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Averia Light

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NexOrigin said :
Like, you wanna know why:
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I could only buy 2 of my usual 4 gallons of milk today, and it was the expensive organic kind because the regular was sold out. Dark times indeed.
I'll tell you. It's because the farmers were being paid to dump the milk,

The claim was that "there is no one to buy the milk":

https://youtu.be/sPOkSiD-sN8

But that's not actually true, as you personally found out. You wanted to buy the milk, but it wasn't available. There was an intentional food shortage this year. Produce and milk were being destroyed right after being harvested, and the government was paying them to destroy their produce and milk.

This was the first program the government instituted:

https://www.farmers.gov/cfap1

This was the second program (current one):

https://www.farmers.gov/cfap

People need to start paying attention to people like me. Otherwise, everyone will just be accepting the claim that "there is no one to buy the milk", when in fact, there were food shortages going on, that were being intentionally created. Think about it. There is has been such an excess of food production this year, yet, the cost of food has just steadily increased all year long.

But I'm just a fear monger, and a conspiracy theorist, right?

I mean, it's not like I can cite sources to corroborate my claims, right?

Except I can, and I have.

But for some people, it's easier to be fooled than it is to accept that they have been fooled. Cognitive dissonance prevents a lot of people from being able to accept that they have been fooled, or mislead by "official sources", and will try and defend those misleading claims by official sources, because they simply cannot accept that they were fooled.

The supply chain was bottlenecked and overloaded. Same with TP, sanitizer and a lot of other products. And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

28-Dec-2020 04:02:11 - Last edited on 28-Dec-2020 04:06:10 by Averia Light

NexOrigin

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Averia Light said :
Wait what?

I'm allergic to shellfish and what is this? Apparently it's "insensitive" for me to tell you that you might have a severe allergic reaction to the vaccines.

Icy Spring said :
The actual numbers were 6 allergic reactions out of 272,000 vaccinations, or a 0.0022% chance. You don't live your life based on minuscule probabilities do you? How many of those vaccinations were given to people with shellfish allergies? That's an important number in the statistics.

If only 6 people with shellfish allergies were given the vaccine, out of the 272,000 vaccinations, that wouldn't be a "minuscule probability", would it? That would be a 100% probability. Without the actual number, you can't accurately represent it as a "minuscule probability". You don't know. The only thing that has been released as public information is that those with severe allergies are being warned not to take the virus, and there have been multiple cases of people having severe allergic reactions to the vaccine.

The reason that they're warning people with severe allergies not to get the vaccine is specifically because they don't want people having severe allergic reactions to it.

The goal is to prevent deaths, right?

So, by warning people with severe allergies about the potential risk of a severe allergic reaction, is literally an attempt to prevent deaths.

People who have food allergies literally DO live their lives based on the probability of having a severe allergic reaction. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

28-Dec-2020 04:08:43

Icy Spring

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The CDC still recommends that you get vaccinated unless you have had an allergic reaction to an ingredient in the vaccine. Not if you just have severe allergies.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/allergic-reaction.html

Second, the notion that every person with a shellfish allergy had an allergic reaction is complete and utter nonsense. It only took me a few seconds to find that shellfish is one of the most common allergies and ~2% of the population is allergic to it. Did 2% of the population have an allergic reaction? I don't fucking think so. Maybe try using your brain before you post another piece of anecdotal evidence.

1/45,000 is about the same as your yearly chance of dying in a car accident. You don't drive, right?

28-Dec-2020 04:19:14 - Last edited on 28-Dec-2020 04:21:04 by Icy Spring

NexOrigin

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Averia Light said :
The supply chain was bottlenecked and overloaded. Same with TP, sanitizer and a lot of other products. That's a farce. The farmers could have sold locally if that was the issue. But they were being paid to destroy the crops. Local shelves were going empty, while farmers destroyed food, and the claim at the time was "there isn't anyone to buy the food" and "people aren't going to buy twice as much food". You can guarantee if the farmers weren't getting paid from the government, they would have found a way to transport and sell their produce and milk. But why bother when you're getting paid the same amount to just dump and bury the milk and produce?

Think about how many food banks and charities could have used that food and milk. They could have even put up a sign saying "Free milk" and "Free fruits and vegetables" and people would have come and gladly taken the food, since all the financial hardships during the outbreak.

But, all that food and milk went to waste. How many chickens were euthanized? Eggs just dumped into the fields and buried. Entire crops, buried in ditches. All this abundance of food, going to waste, at at time when more people were struggling to afford food than have been in recent times.

This food shortage was engineered. It's silly to think otherwise. How much of the food in your grocery store was, and still is, coming from other countries on the other side of the world? Somehow all that food makes it to the grocery store, but not the food produced by local farmers? You don't think that seems a bit suspicious? It does to me. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

28-Dec-2020 04:21:12

Averia Light

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NexOrigin said :
Averia Light said :
The supply chain was bottlenecked and overloaded. Same with TP, sanitizer and a lot of other products. That's a farce. The farmers could have sold locally if that was the issue. But they were being paid to destroy the crops. Local shelves were going empty, while farmers destroyed food, and the claim at the time was "there isn't anyone to buy the food" and "people aren't going to buy twice as much food". You can guarantee if the farmers weren't getting paid from the government, they would have found a way to transport and sell their produce and milk. But why bother when you're getting paid the same amount to just dump and bury the milk and produce?

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When agricultural processors suffer labor shortages like they did, it causes a bottleneck in the supply chain. Most farmers belong to conglomerates and don't have the capability to single-handedly distribute their inventory on a mass scale. So if their main processor goes down, like Tyson's did, it causes a huge disruption in getting from the farm to the store (which even the store os a part of the supply chain). Most end consumers also don't typically have the capability to single-handedly recieve all their goods directly from the source and bypass the supply chain. Most people jusy go to the store.

Then you have to consider that people were hoarding. The demand skyrocketed beyond what the supply chain could handle on top of pieces in the supply chain being disrupted. The US subsidizes farmers under normal circumstances and has for decades. It would make sense that the government would support farmers who couldn't move their product.

I mean, we are actually currently experiencing I believe a steel or iron shortage and a paper shortage over similar issues. It isn't that the world stopped producing the commodities of lumber and metal, just that the local supply chains are bottlenecked. And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

28-Dec-2020 04:32:50 - Last edited on 28-Dec-2020 04:35:32 by Averia Light

NexOrigin

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Icy Spring said :
The CDC still recommends that you get vaccinated unless you have had an allergic reaction to an ingredient in the vaccine. Not if you just have severe allergies.

I think we've already established that the CDC does not have a good track record of making recommendations regarding the virus:
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CDC@CDCgov

CDC does not currently recommend the use of facemasks to help prevent novel #coronavirus.

https://twitter.com/CDCgov/status/1233134710638825473

Icy Spring said :
Second, the notion that every person with a shellfish allergy had an allergic reaction is complete and utter nonsense. The notion that all 272,000 people who got the vaccination had a shellfish allergy is just as nonsensical.

I literally said that without actually knowing what number of people with shellfish allergies actually got the vaccine, you can't make a determination on how many people it will actually affect.

Icy Spring said :
It only took me a few seconds to find that shellfish is one of the most common allergies and ~2% of the population is allergic to it. Did 2% of the population have an allergic reaction? Again, you can't make a determination without knowing how many people with shellfish allergies got the vaccination. Considering the warnings that have been given, and the publication of the adverse reactions people with shellfish allergies are having, it's logical to assume that those who suffer from such allergies, aren't going to be volunteering to get the vaccine right away.

Icy Spring said :
Maybe try using your brain before you post another piece of anecdotal evidence. Oooh, more personal attacks. Do you really think you're going to accomplish something with that? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

28-Dec-2020 04:33:15

NexOrigin

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Icy Spring said :
1/45,000 is about the same as your yearly chance of dying in a car accident. You don't drive, right? Correct, I don't drive.

Does that prove or disprove your hypothesis? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

28-Dec-2020 04:34:14

NexOrigin

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Averia Light said :
When agricultural processors (like Tyson) suffer labor shortages like they did, it causes a bottleneck in the supply chain. Most farmers belong to conglomerates and don't have the capability to single-handedly distribute their inventory on a mass scale. So if their main processor goes down, like Tyson's did, it causes a huge disruption in getting from the farm to the store (which even the store os a part of the supply chain). Most end consumers also don't typically have the capability to single-handedly recieve all their goods directly from the source and bypass the supply chain. Most people jusy go to the store.

Then you have to consider that people were hoarding. The demand skyrocketed beyond what the supply chain could handle on top of pieces in the supply chain being disrupted. The US subsidizes farmers under normal circumstances and has for decades. It would make sense that the government would support farmers who couldn't move their product. Obviously the farmers need to get paid too, and normally, I would agree with your explanation, but, this year... this year was different. We'll have to agree to disagree on some points.

I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

28-Dec-2020 04:36:32

Icy Spring

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NexOrigin said :
This food shortage was engineered. It's silly to think otherwise. How much of the food in your grocery store was, and still is, coming from other countries on the other side of the world? Somehow all that food makes it to the grocery store, but not the food produced by local farmers? You don't think that seems a bit suspicious? It does to me.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/business/coronavirus-destroying-food.html

Short answer is that demand from restaurants fell off a cliff and there was simply nowhere to store the unsold crops and dairy products, so they were destroyed. Grocery store shortages were caused by panic buyers. There was a brief period where meat was more expensive because everyone in the packing plants was getting COVID-19 but overall there was never really a food shortage.

28-Dec-2020 04:38:24 - Last edited on 28-Dec-2020 04:41:40 by Icy Spring

NexOrigin

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Icy Spring said :
NexOrigin said :
This food shortage was engineered. It's silly to think otherwise. How much of the food in your grocery store was, and still is, coming from other countries on the other side of the world? Somehow all that food makes it to the grocery store, but not the food produced by local farmers? You don't think that seems a bit suspicious? It does to me.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/business/coronavirus-destroying-food.html

Short answer is that demand from restaurants fell off a cliff and there was simply nowhere to store the unsold crops and dairy products, so they were destroyed. Yeah, I already explained that was the story that was being presented at the time: NexOrigin said :

The claim was that "there is no one to buy the milk":
https://youtu.be/sPOkSiD-sN8

Was that supposed to be your "aha, gotcha!" moment or something? You're just repeating back to me what I've already said... I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

28-Dec-2020 04:41:53

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