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Miles Prower
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NexOrigin said :
Miles Prower said :
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. It literally means freedom from legal consequences. Regulating free speech means it's no longer free speech.
No? People can say what they want - freedom of speech. Doesn't mean there won't be any rebuttal. It literally means there cannot be any legal repercussions. You cannot have a law in the United States that restricts or regulates freedom of speech. It's literally written into the 1st amendment: Original message details are unavailable.
This is to prevent fascism. You know, censoring and punishing speech that some people may disagree with.
If you disagree with a conspiracy theory, then you do it with your own free speech, using facts and evidence. No one learns anything if people allow the punishing of dissenting opinions. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
NexOrigin said :
Miles Prower said :
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. It literally means freedom from legal consequences. Regulating free speech means it's no longer free speech.
No? People can say what they want - freedom of speech. Doesn't mean there won't be any rebuttal. It literally means there cannot be any legal repercussions. You cannot have a law in the United States that restricts or regulates freedom of speech. It's literally written into the 1st amendment: Original message details are unavailable.
Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech
, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
This is to prevent fascism. You know, censoring and punishing speech that some people may disagree with.
If you disagree with a conspiracy theory, then you do it with your own free speech, using facts and evidence. No one learns anything if people allow the punishing of dissenting opinions. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
30-Dec-2020 06:34:04
I said:
And you said:
A rebuttal is free speech. Regulating free speech is not a rebuttal.
You're arguing a completely different point, while contesting the previous point.
No one is contesting anyone's right to rebuttal a conspiracy theory. Everyone has that right. No one is disagreeing on that. What we're disagreeing on is your opinion that free speech should be regulated (against things you disagree with).
I'm literally saying "freedom from legal consequences" and you're saying "No? People can rebuttal it".
Miles Prower said :
trying to brutally pass it off as fact with no evidence (fascism, by the way, since it was brought up) That's not even close to the definition of fascism. lol. That has nothing to do with it. Regulating free speech does.
I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
It literally means freedom from legal consequences. Regulating free speech means it's no longer free speech
And you said:
No? People can say what they want - freedom of speech. Doesn't mean there won't be any rebuttal.
A rebuttal is free speech. Regulating free speech is not a rebuttal.
You're arguing a completely different point, while contesting the previous point.
No one is contesting anyone's right to rebuttal a conspiracy theory. Everyone has that right. No one is disagreeing on that. What we're disagreeing on is your opinion that free speech should be regulated (against things you disagree with).
I'm literally saying "freedom from legal consequences" and you're saying "No? People can rebuttal it".
Miles Prower said :
trying to brutally pass it off as fact with no evidence (fascism, by the way, since it was brought up) That's not even close to the definition of fascism. lol. That has nothing to do with it. Regulating free speech does.
I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
30-Dec-2020 07:04:06
It has nothing to do with disagreeing with an opinion. We are talking about regulation of clear disinformation. Once again, you appear to have missed the point - you can speak freely, but don't be surprised if there is a rebuttal.
But to clear things up for you:
* An opinion should not be regulated.
* Persistently spreading false information (which has been disproven) and presenting it as fact, as an attempt to spread fear while also costing lives, should be regulated.
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But to clear things up for you:
* An opinion should not be regulated.
* Persistently spreading false information (which has been disproven) and presenting it as fact, as an attempt to spread fear while also costing lives, should be regulated.
It's that simple. Low on bank space? Click here .
30-Dec-2020 07:13:31 - Last edited on 30-Dec-2020 07:26:07 by Miles Prower
No one has argued against people having the right to rebuttal anything. You want to rebuttal a conspiracy theory? By all means, go right ahead. I already encouraged that earlier in the thread.
You're arguing against something that no one is arguing for.
No one has claimed that people shouldn't make a rebuttal.
But you were arguing that speech should be regulated. That's the point I was arguing against this whole time, and the point I originally made.
Free speech is not free speech if it is regulated.
And I've asked numerous;
Who gets to decide what is "clear disinformation"?
At the start of the year, the "official sources" were distributing "clear disinformation" and those distributing "accurate information" were accused of distributing "disinformation".
So who gets to decide what "clear disinformation" is? The "official sources"? Who? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
You're arguing against something that no one is arguing for.
No one has claimed that people shouldn't make a rebuttal.
But you were arguing that speech should be regulated. That's the point I was arguing against this whole time, and the point I originally made.
Free speech is not free speech if it is regulated.
And I've asked numerous;
Who gets to decide what is "clear disinformation"?
At the start of the year, the "official sources" were distributing "clear disinformation" and those distributing "accurate information" were accused of distributing "disinformation".
So who gets to decide what "clear disinformation" is? The "official sources"? Who? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
30-Dec-2020 07:32:21
Sometimes conspiracy theories are true, and a lot of the time, it's the really hard to believe conspiracy theories that turn out to be true. I find it so disheartening when people instantly have a bias against any conspiracy theory, assuming that they're just fake stories told by crazy people.
Take MK Ultra for example. There are people to this very day who still advocate that MK Ultra is some wild conspiracy theory that has no merit or basis. But, it's public information at this point. It's been declassified. However, since it was labeled as a "conspiracy theory" for so long, there are people who will never believe it is true.
Or how about the CIA creating an entirely fake polio vaccine program in Afghanistan just to track the location of Osama Bin Ladin through his DNA? That would never happen, right? It's just crazy talk. Except... that's exactly what happened.
It's so easy to dismiss things that seem too crazy to be true, but, there are times where these crazier than life conspiracy theories are entirely true. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
Take MK Ultra for example. There are people to this very day who still advocate that MK Ultra is some wild conspiracy theory that has no merit or basis. But, it's public information at this point. It's been declassified. However, since it was labeled as a "conspiracy theory" for so long, there are people who will never believe it is true.
Or how about the CIA creating an entirely fake polio vaccine program in Afghanistan just to track the location of Osama Bin Ladin through his DNA? That would never happen, right? It's just crazy talk. Except... that's exactly what happened.
It's so easy to dismiss things that seem too crazy to be true, but, there are times where these crazier than life conspiracy theories are entirely true. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
30-Dec-2020 09:47:49
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