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Ah okay thanks.

For some reason I always think of the indigenous people of Australia when I hear/read the term 'Aboriginal'. Think I'll use Native American if I need to use anything at all, it just sounds more specific, for me :)
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10-Feb-2021 17:45:00

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There's an old saying "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". I see nothing wrong with copying ideas from other cultures as long as its done because you admire/like whatever it is and its not used to poke fun at that culture. For example, if we never took ideas from other cultures we'd still only be eating local foods and imagine how boring that would be.

10-Feb-2021 19:42:01

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No one owns cultures, just like no one owns languages.

It's absurd that anyone would claim "you can't wear that because of the color of your skin".

Ridiculous.


The most ironic thing is that when you go to other countries as tourists, they literally try to sell you their culture, and are happy to see you embracing their culture. It's only SJW's that somehow get offended on behalf of other people.


As far as languages and accents go... If I want to speak with an accent, who has the right to tell me I can't use that accent?

No one owns my voice but me.

If I want to sound Scottish, no one can tell me not to use a Scottish accent.

If I want to sound like Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has the right to tell me I can't use an Austrian accent? No one.



Humans are allowed to look and sound however they want, regardless of what ethnicity they are. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great! :)

11-Feb-2021 03:21:23

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It depends entirely on the situation you're in, what you're doing and how you're doing it. Doing something in a way that celebrates another culture I think is fine, in the same way as if you're in a different country and you're being 'sold' their culture and that's more a case of you actually fitting in or living/dressing how locals live if you're abroad, not done in a way that's mocking anybody.

I went to a friend & colleague's engagement party early last year. He's Indian and I think I was literally the only white person there since the rest of us from work who went come from all over the world.

My friend and his family members on the dance floor were encouraging me to dance in the way that they were dancing - So I did and the whole event was so much fun, but I never would have decided to dance like that by myself as to not be offensive or appear as though I was doing it to mock anybody.

It all comes down to common courtesy and consideration for others.

NexOrigin said :
Humans are allowed to look and sound however they want, regardless of what ethnicity they are. Sure, technically yes we are, but there are a number of things I can think of off the top of my head that is neither socially acceptable or at all appropriate.

Megycal said :
I see nothing wrong with copying ideas from other cultures as long as its done because you admire/like whatever it is and its not used to poke fun at that culture. For example, if we never took ideas from other cultures we'd still only be eating local foods and imagine how boring that would be. 100%, this!
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Joel said :
NexOrigin said :
Humans are allowed to look and sound however they want, regardless of what ethnicity they are. Sure, technically yes we are, but there are a number of things I can think of off the top of my head that is neither socially acceptable or at all appropriate.
Sure, there might be things I wouldn't agree with, and I may even mock them for it, but I certainly would defend their right to look and sound however they want. I have no issues with someone telling someone else "that looks silly", but I wouldn't let someone say "you can't wear that" (apart from a parent saying that to their own child, or perhaps a significant other, or an employer, etc).

I'm sure your parents told you not to stare at people, or eavesdrop on conversations, so, if someone is wearing something you disagree with, you can just look away, or if someone is saying something you disagree with, you can just not listen to them. That's part of being "socially acceptable" as well, isn't it? Minding your own business? Like, if some stranger is wearing something, even if you think it's mocking some other culture, it's not really any of your business, is it?

Joel said :
Megycal said :
I see nothing wrong with copying ideas from other cultures as long as its done because you admire/like whatever it is and its not used to poke fun at that culture. For example, if we never took ideas from other cultures we'd still only be eating local foods and imagine how boring that would be. 100%, this! General Tso's Chicken. I dunno who he is, but I love his Chinese food.

But, um, what if you're part of the culture? Can you poke fun at it then? Russel Peters, for example?

Comedians have had a hard time in recent years because apparently everything is offensive and no one knows how to take a joke anymore. :( I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great! :)

11-Feb-2021 15:25:36

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It all depends. Dressing up and darkening your skin to portray a different culture and/or ethnicity for example, I guess as an individual you have the freedom to do it, but that won't be without consequence as it's not appropriate.

Making fun of a culture your part of isn't seen as bad as someone not of that culture making fun. It's why you typically won't see any white comedians cracking jokes with regards to black people, but you may see a black comedian having such material and using words (e.g the N word) which white comedians just typically wouldn't or shouldn't use.

Not heard of Russel Peters so not familiar with his material.

People are definitely more... I'm not sure if 'sensitive' is the right word with the point I want to make, perhaps 'aware' is a better word to use. People across the world and across different cultures are much better connected these days so maybe that's played a part in how people are a lot more conscious of what they're saying and how they're saying it, perhaps out of more courtesy and consideration for others with different backgrounds than themselves.
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11-Feb-2021 15:42:22

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Joel said :
Dressing up and darkening your skin to portray a different culture and/or ethnicity for example Haven't women always done that? They tan, darken their skin with makeup, or they lighten their skin with makeup, dye their hair, perm it, or straighten it, change their eye color, etc. I don't see any issue with someone wishing to look a certain way. I may not always agree with how they look, but, I see no issue with them wanting to look a certain way.

Joel said :
Making fun of a culture your part of isn't seen as bad as someone not of that culture making fun. It's why you typically won't see any white comedians cracking jokes with regards to black people, but you may see a black comedian having such material and using words (e.g the N word) which white comedians just typically wouldn't or shouldn't use. If it's socially unacceptable for one race to say it, then its socially unacceptable for any race to say it. If you're claiming that certain races can't say certain words, but other races can, that's textbook racism; discrimination based on race.

Joel said :
Not heard of Russel Peters so not familiar with his material. Somebody gonna get hurt, real bad. :P



Joel said :
People are definitely more... I'm not sure if 'sensitive' is the right word with the point I want to make, perhaps 'aware' is a better word to use I don't know if I'd say "aware" would be a good word to describe it.

Mocking cultures can be a positive thing, so long as you're not specifically discriminating against a particular culture. If you're a comedian mocking numerous cultures in your act, including your own culture, it can actually help unite people across cultures, demonstrating that we all have "quirks" that others may find amusing. But if we can all laugh together at ourselves and each other, that helps unite us. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great! :)

11-Feb-2021 16:02:45

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NexOrigin said :
Haven't women always done that? Well, women and men both use fake tan to give themselves more of a glow :P

But lets not conflate that, which is usually to give you a tanned appearance you could otherwise achieve by a sun destination holiday or a sun-bed (so its essentially a shortcut), with what I was more referring to which is things like Blackface etc. Two very different things with different intent.

NexOrigin said :
If it's socially unacceptable for one race to say it, then its socially unacceptable for any race to say it. If you're claiming that certain races can't say certain words, but other races can, that's textbook racism; discrimination based on race. I'm afraid that just isn't reality. E.g the use of the N word is a perfect example. Based on its origins we as a society do not use that word due to how offensive and inappropriate it is and rightfully so. However, it does get widely used by black people in the black community so who am I (as a white person) or you (if you're white) to dictate to the black community whether or not they should or shouldn't use that word? Why? Because I/we can't use that word they shouldn't be able to? The world doesn't work like that.

Again, context, intent etc all matter with these sorts of things.

The company I work for is a tech start up, it's awesome because of the diversity we have. The Dev team alone are from a number of different countries all over the world. With that means we have some banter between us and in that context, in the name of fun is pretty innocent providing we're all OK with it. So you're right, mocking one another in ways that doesn't hold malicious intent is OK in certain contexts and certainly unites people which is great.
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