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Oss SpyV2 said :
Nexus Origin said :
Yes, I absolutely agree; you should never use your free speech to shut down someone else's free speech.

You have every right to, but that doesn't mean you should.

It's common civility rules (that some don't seem to understand).


I wouldn't call that shutting down free speech - calling someone an idiot for saying stupid shit isn't silencing them, you're just saying something.
The problem is that you cant say its stupid shit unless you know what they are saying. In many cases, they are drowning out people being able to talk, so NO ONE knows if is truth or lies. Shutting down free speech is literally now allowing the opposite side from having a voice simply because you don't want them telling anyone else what they believe.

01-Jul-2020 06:46:52

Dadizar
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runeage111 said :
Oss SpyV2 said :
Nexus Origin said :
Yes, I absolutely agree; you should never use your free speech to shut down someone else's free speech.

You have every right to, but that doesn't mean you should.

It's common civility rules (that some don't seem to understand).


I wouldn't call that shutting down free speech - calling someone an idiot for saying stupid shit isn't silencing them, you're just saying something.
The problem is that you cant say its stupid shit unless you know what they are saying. In many cases, they are drowning out people being able to talk, so NO ONE knows if is truth or lies. Shutting down free speech is literally now allowing the opposite side from having a voice simply because you don't want them telling anyone else what they believe.
Is Facebook shutting down boogaloo groups what you are talking about?
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01-Jul-2020 22:20:33

Moolestation

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Tenebri said :
Moolestation said :
calling to ban guns , is consider hate speech.

every thing donald trump says is hate speech , i think the left has a bunch of cooky supporters lol


the left and right do


oh please explain how the right voters who believe in the constitution are somehow cooky?

even the kkk believes in the constitution , atleast that small group of people arent calling to take my guns and ban my speech lol

02-Jul-2020 01:35:43

Moolestation

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Dadizar said :
runeage111 said :
Oss SpyV2 said :
Nexus Origin said :
Yes, I absolutely agree; you should never use your free speech to shut down someone else's free speech.

You have every right to, but that doesn't mean you should.

It's common civility rules (that some don't seem to understand).


I wouldn't call that shutting down free speech - calling someone an idiot for saying stupid shit isn't silencing them, you're just saying something.
The problem is that you cant say its stupid shit unless you know what they are saying. In many cases, they are drowning out people being able to talk, so NO ONE knows if is truth or lies. Shutting down free speech is literally now allowing the opposite side from having a voice simply because you don't want them telling anyone else what they believe.
Is Facebook shutting down boogaloo groups what you are talking about?


do u even watch the news? are really stupid?

02-Jul-2020 01:36:26

Moolestation

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ToP BaSS said :
Moolestation said :
calling to ban guns , is consider hate speech.


Who considers "ban guns" to be "hate speech"?
Who is the "hate speech" aimed at?
What is the nature of the "hate"?


every thing trump does is hate speech and racist , so if if the left comes into power and passes hate speech laws .

the left talking about takeing guns is hate speech.
the left talking about banning hate speech is hate speech.

see where im going?

02-Jul-2020 01:37:57

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It is very clear what hate speech is. Those that try to suggest that it is unclear are either uninformed or straw manning arguments.

As far as I understand, hate speech is projective extensive negative, and often prejudice discussions against specific groups of people within society. Under UK law, such groups often have additional protections to mitigate against unlawful discrimination against them.

Under hate speech, it is clear that anti-semitism, islamophobic speech, extensive racist speech etc would be covered.

Under UK law, Police are obliged to record all Hate Incidents. Hate Incidents are incidents where a person has behaved with hostility or in a discriminatory way against another person based on a protected characteristic the victim either posseses, or that the perpetrator believes they possess (or possesses via association).

This differs from Hate Crime, where a criminal offence has been committed against a victim which has been motivated by hate. Legislation which covers this includes, but is not limited to racially aggravated harassment, amongst other aggravated offences.

Put simply, the UK does not tolerate Hate Incidents or Hate Crimes. A person is free to protest, but they must do so within law. If they wish to have a march, it is good practice to inform the Police beforehand who will advise on best routes etc etc in order to maintain public order. We however do not allow wearing of political uniforms in public. You are free to have whatever political affiliation you wish, as long as that party you are affiliated with is not proscribed under terrorism laws.

The RuneScape forums will not tolerate Hate Speech of any kind and this website is subject to UK law. I would be very careful of what you suggest, as UK authorities do not take light to discussions of this nature.

What you do behind closed doors is up to you, as long as you are not committing criminal offences.

02-Jul-2020 03:53:43

runeage111

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Dadizar said :
what you are talking about?
What I am talking about is conservatives going to campuses and trying to explain the conservative viewpoints, but have to leave without being heard because a small group decides to yell over him or her. Many people went to the talk to learn things but NO one was able to learn anything because the liberals refuse to allow anyone to hear what conservatives say. Liberals do not want anything but their viewpoints expressed. They will shout down anything they do not accept as truth. They do not try to disprove what other people say is true, they prevent it from being heard.

And yes, facebook and google have shown that they are willing to silence discussions on conservative viewpoints.

02-Jul-2020 03:58:00

runeage111

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ToP BaSS said :
I see where you're going - straight into the pocket of the conspiracy theorists.

take a dubious scenario - extrapolate to into contorted issue mongering - pass it on - repeat.
It isnt a conspiracy.

Recently I tried to google Ingraham Angle. What I got was 50+ links that showed NOTHING but 2 seconds of her open emblem.

The same happen with Hannity and Tucker Carlson. Many people have complained about this. All Three of these have had videos removed for "hate speech" because they showed rioting. Youtube and google said "the protest were all peaceful and anyone claiming otherwise is pushing hate and lies." Later they had to return them because it was proving that the riots happened. Just because it is a conspiracy doesn't mean its a theory or not true.

02-Jul-2020 04:03:56

runeage111

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Aeroxmaster said :
It is very clear what hate speech is. Those that try to suggest that it is unclear are either uninformed or straw manning arguments.
Yes, its clear what hate speech is, but how it is enforced is not straight forward.

Take for instance, a white couple that when they saw a mob break down the gate to their living area, came out with guns and told the mob to "move on, move on". Before they got their weapons, the mob was threatening to burn their home down with the couple in it. When the couple showed their guns, the mob moved on and broke windows and demolished other people's homes, but left that one intact.

The state prosecutor is pushing for charges against the couple for defending their homes against a black mob. No one is discussing charges for the damage to other homes in the same gated community. As far as the prosecutor, a black woman, is concerned, the owners of the homes did the damage to their own places by not moving out and giving the homes to the mob when the mob showed up.

You could hear the couple saying "move on, move on" to the black mob, and hear the black mob hurling hate speech back at them, but no one is discussing the things the mob said, only calling the "move on, move on" as hate speech.

I have little doubt you will call this "hate speech" too.

02-Jul-2020 04:09:10 - Last edited on 02-Jul-2020 04:11:07 by runeage111

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