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Raleirosen
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Jack Flac said :
Oy. I'm not delusional Rail. May not always be the best at putting things into words, but I'm not delusional. I distinctly remember you going on a solipsist rant, about how it's impossible to know anything exists outside your own mind, etc. that must've been a while ago so I could be misremembering. or you could've changed your mind. I think I remember that discussion, but I don't think it makes anyone delusional.
For all we know, we live in the matrix.
Whether you accept it or not, you can only prove your own existence.
I think, therefore I am.
But beyond that, it is impossible to actually prove that what you see, hear, and experience actually exist beyond your own mind, simply due to the way our brain works.
It is theoretically possible to completely fool the mind into seeing, hearing and experiencing every sense of the body, simply with electrical impulses.
So, by scientific fact, we can't actually prove that anything actually exists beyond our self.
But sometimes we must simply have blind faith that the world exists around us.
Funny how blind faith can apply to more than simply religion, eh?
Jack Flac said :
Oy. I'm not delusional Rail. May not always be the best at putting things into words, but I'm not delusional. I distinctly remember you going on a solipsist rant, about how it's impossible to know anything exists outside your own mind, etc. that must've been a while ago so I could be misremembering. or you could've changed your mind. I think I remember that discussion, but I don't think it makes anyone delusional.
For all we know, we live in the matrix.
Whether you accept it or not, you can only prove your own existence.
I think, therefore I am.
But beyond that, it is impossible to actually prove that what you see, hear, and experience actually exist beyond your own mind, simply due to the way our brain works.
It is theoretically possible to completely fool the mind into seeing, hearing and experiencing every sense of the body, simply with electrical impulses.
So, by scientific fact, we can't actually prove that anything actually exists beyond our self.
But sometimes we must simply have blind faith that the world exists around us.
Funny how blind faith can apply to more than simply religion, eh?
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23-Sep-2018 03:48:54
Nexus Origin
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But sometimes we must simply have blind faith that the world exists around us.
Funny how blind faith can apply to more than simply religion, eh?
this is off topic, but in short: you're straight up rejecting all the evidence your brain is providing you with. if you see a train coming towards you, or hear a gunshot, you can reasonably expect your consciousness to be impaired or terminated if those things physically connect with your body (or if you prefer, "seem" to connect with your body). ignoring that sensory information is actually very unscientific and completely contradicts your accusations of "blind faith," and in any case, equating empiricism with religion is a joke. but feel free to test it out and inform us of the results.
you can focus on the chance that all sensory information is false all you want, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. there's a spectrum of reliability for human perception and thought, and it doesn't rest at 0%. and of course, there's no difference, functionally, between matrix or reality; your consciousness is affected all the same. so why worry about it? Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.
But sometimes we must simply have blind faith that the world exists around us.
Funny how blind faith can apply to more than simply religion, eh?
this is off topic, but in short: you're straight up rejecting all the evidence your brain is providing you with. if you see a train coming towards you, or hear a gunshot, you can reasonably expect your consciousness to be impaired or terminated if those things physically connect with your body (or if you prefer, "seem" to connect with your body). ignoring that sensory information is actually very unscientific and completely contradicts your accusations of "blind faith," and in any case, equating empiricism with religion is a joke. but feel free to test it out and inform us of the results.
you can focus on the chance that all sensory information is false all you want, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. there's a spectrum of reliability for human perception and thought, and it doesn't rest at 0%. and of course, there's no difference, functionally, between matrix or reality; your consciousness is affected all the same. so why worry about it? Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.
23-Sep-2018 04:14:43 - Last edited on 23-Sep-2018 04:20:13 by Raleirosen
Raleirosen
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this is off topic Yeah... I know... and it was just getting interesting. Perhaps on another thread.
Even with free speech, people still need to follow common civility rules, such as not using your free speech to silence others, and not using your free speech to derail discussions.
this is off topic Yeah... I know... and it was just getting interesting. Perhaps on another thread.
Even with free speech, people still need to follow common civility rules, such as not using your free speech to silence others, and not using your free speech to derail discussions.
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23-Sep-2018 04:27:44
Jack Flac
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Wolfblue in this very thread for one.
I mean it's fine if you don't agree with I say. God knows I'm not absolutly perfect and have all the answers, and am going to be wrong on a number of things. But It would be nice if you didn't disregard my opinion simply because it comes from me, while at the same time agreeing with someone else who says the same thing. by example I meant a quote or two, but alright. if I recall Wolfblue clarified what he said to a sufficient degree that I retracted (in full or in part) my criticism. in your case, though, I have some preconceived notion or memory of what your worldview is like, and as a result I don't see any conversation with you that doesn't involve games/anime/etc. getting past what I said above. so instead I resort to snide comments. which is admittedly a little mean, so, sorry about that.
Nexus Origin said :
Even with free speech, people still need to follow common civility rules, such as not using your free speech to silence others, and not using your free speech to derail discussions.
actually I'd say derailing would fall under free speech. but I guess Overseer Jamflex doesn't agree.
Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.
Wolfblue in this very thread for one.
I mean it's fine if you don't agree with I say. God knows I'm not absolutly perfect and have all the answers, and am going to be wrong on a number of things. But It would be nice if you didn't disregard my opinion simply because it comes from me, while at the same time agreeing with someone else who says the same thing. by example I meant a quote or two, but alright. if I recall Wolfblue clarified what he said to a sufficient degree that I retracted (in full or in part) my criticism. in your case, though, I have some preconceived notion or memory of what your worldview is like, and as a result I don't see any conversation with you that doesn't involve games/anime/etc. getting past what I said above. so instead I resort to snide comments. which is admittedly a little mean, so, sorry about that.
Nexus Origin said :
Even with free speech, people still need to follow common civility rules, such as not using your free speech to silence others, and not using your free speech to derail discussions.
actually I'd say derailing would fall under free speech. but I guess Overseer Jamflex doesn't agree.
Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.
23-Sep-2018 04:28:07 - Last edited on 23-Sep-2018 04:32:05 by Raleirosen
Raleirosen
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Nexus Origin said :
Even with free speech, people still need to follow common civility rules, such as not using your free speech to silence others, and not using your free speech to derail discussions.
actually I'd say derailing would fall under free speech. but I guess Overseer Jamflex doesn't agree.
Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. Derailing would fall under free speech, but common civility rules say it is rude, thus, most people adhere to the socially accepted rules, and generally try not to derail discussions.
Nexus Origin said :
Even with free speech, people still need to follow common civility rules, such as not using your free speech to silence others, and not using your free speech to derail discussions.
actually I'd say derailing would fall under free speech. but I guess Overseer Jamflex doesn't agree.
Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. Derailing would fall under free speech, but common civility rules say it is rude, thus, most people adhere to the socially accepted rules, and generally try not to derail discussions.
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23-Sep-2018 04:59:59 - Last edited on 23-Sep-2018 05:00:24 by Nexus Origin
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