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Sesemaru
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I think Vials could increase in value much and would be more worth collecting if they dissipated when adding to other vials the way that Crystal and regular Flasks do when combined. This would make vials increase in value the way the other vial types do.
And put empty vials of great worth as they should be as they are the only way you can combine herbs with secondaries in the first place.
There can be another type of vial that you have to pay a premium for because they don't dissolve when combined with mixing vials or their own type. The way it should be, is there is a type of vial that when added to another type of vial doesn't break that you have to pay a great price for, but the catch is you can't mix it into these vials, so though they don't break when distributed to mixing vials or their own type, they can't be used for mixing, so they will be of great worth because they don't break when used with mixing vials or their own type. But mixing vials, the only thing you can mix the start of potions in (excepting combining potions with other potions) would always be of great worth, and the unbreakable vials would always be of worth too since you can always combine them with other potions using vials of their own type or mixing vials. This way every type of vial will always have much value. So the distribution vials you will have to transfer the potions to so it will be another step you have to make to get use out of. This way every type of vial would have much value. And no type would be considered junk.
Also noteworthy, if they did this, you could combine a flask with a lower amount of potion to a smaller vial at the cost of the flask, and you could combine a vial with a flask, but the only way you could distribute lesser portions of potions without it being an utter waste of gp is if you did it to the distribution vial. So to clarify, you can pour lesser amounts to a distribution vial without it breaking after use.

23-Jul-2023 20:33:20 - Last edited on 23-Jul-2023 21:39:14 by Sesemaru

Sesemaru
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But the moment you pour the last dose from a distribution vial into a crystal or regular flask, the distribution flask breaks.

So they are unbreakable only when distributing to their own type, or mixing vials, but when they distribute to something of greater value they break. Getting you more value out of your Crystal and regular flasks at the cost of these, distribution vials.

23-Jul-2023 21:21:46 - Last edited on 23-Jul-2023 21:32:59 by Sesemaru

Bertel62
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DrauDaedolon said :
There is already an option in-game to destroy regular vials when mixing or decanting potions.
It makes no difference that one player has that option turned on when everybody else hasn't. He wants them to always be destroyed, so they can go up in price.

And maybe 1gp is too low a price for a vial, they could cost at least 2gp. Imagine cutting one log and then being able to buy 1400 vials. 700 sounds more reasonable. I mean, cutting a log takes about three seconds.

23-Jul-2023 21:52:06 - Last edited on 23-Jul-2023 21:57:10 by Bertel62

Sesemaru
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This would make that of necessity. My point is vials are too cheap when they don't break, if you don't choose for them too. This would make them of greater value. Just think about this, you cannot mix it in a crystal or regular flask, yet you pay 1,000s for those, when vials, the only thing you can mix it in, maybe 100 or 200 for filled with water.
So I'm suggesting all regular vials become mixing vials, and of greater value, as they should be anyways and we have these distribution vials, the only thing you can pour into vials of greater value with at the cost of the distribution vials. Regular vials are way under valued is the point, but if they did this we'd have another type of vial that separates the under appreciated value of the vials that we now have, and make you pay a fair amount for both conveniences.

23-Jul-2023 21:58:35 - Last edited on 23-Jul-2023 22:01:52 by Sesemaru

Sesemaru
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So to sum it up..

Mixing vials the only way you can mix ingredients to make a potion.
You can still pour the mixing vial potion into Regular flasks to start them off at the cost of the mixing vials, but after you use the flask after the initial potions have been added you have to use a distribution vial with that type of potion too add more to it. If you finish off the distribution vial when filling the flask the distribution vial would be used up.
So people would be buying many of these to save flasks from being wasted. And it would put much value on all types of vials and flasks, because they'd each have their own appeal.

23-Jul-2023 23:44:46

Sesemaru
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The reason I suggest this is 2 fold, one you can't add to any kind of flask unless it is with another kind of flask so one way or another they want you to give up a flask worth of great value to fill a flask up, so every few times doing this you're out a flask, this would provide durable vials for common usage, but that at their cost can fill a flask, this would be a very beneficial feature. The mixing vials, what all the current vials would become are only useable once and cannot add to a flask (what they cannot do now anyways) , it can only fill the flask up to 6 the first time, and then to add to it after, you must to it with a durable vial or another flask.
And the second reason, is this would make the only type of vial that you can mix ingredients in as it is right now, but they would be more appreciated because they can only be drank or emptied into a durable vial once. So the mixing vial would be as appreciated as it should be now, and although we would be giving up our ability to make regular vials that are durable for 2 gp, that loss would come with the benefit of being able to add to flasks that are below 6 doses, which again, we can't do now. So this would be a greater positive feature, for all but the ones selling flasks for a premium, because they break so easily and quickly.
But you'd have an option to decant the durable vials into flasks, so they would be expensive,
and they would also dissipate.
It is like we'll have a grimy herbs, clean herbs, with our vials. People will be decanting mixing vial potions into durable vials, because people not looking to pay the premium of a freshly filled flask, and save the ones they do have to last as long as they can with the lesser, but durable vials. They will be durable vials because you can drink them all the way without them breaking. Though not the reason for them being called durable vials, they will make your flasks you do have last longer, so they will then become more valuable; though cheaper.

24-Jul-2023 20:37:24 - Last edited on 24-Jul-2023 22:45:49 by Sesemaru

Sesemaru
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It's really a racket because flasks only hold 2 more doses and break, vials which hold 4 doses and don't break are worth 2 gp, this would add a couple new types of vials each in their own right worth having, and take away a vial that was under appreciated and undervalued, perhaps the durable vials are made from a lesser type of sandstone though that is greater than regular sandstone.

If they did it with regular sandstone it'd defeat the purpose because so much sandstone is in circulation now, it would be another type of sandstone with only a daily amount you can collect. And they'd only go around so much until they were broken.

24-Jul-2023 23:04:37 - Last edited on 24-Jul-2023 23:13:32 by Sesemaru

Rikornak
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You're talking about some item, that can be bought en masse without too much of effort for 5 gp each. You do not really expect it to become anything like expensive, just because it's getting consumed.

I mean - that would assume anybody would actually want those vials. Guess why they're paying those 100 additional gp, when they got water in it? Yeah in theory you could squish pulp into them as well... but honestly then you just would buy a couple of thousands from a vendor if you actually would manage to make them more expensive. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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26-Jul-2023 09:16:49 - Last edited on 26-Jul-2023 09:22:02 by Rikornak

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