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Surprised
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Radyi said :
Jagex should re-release the events periodically as promotions where you can earn the unique token items by grinding it out and make the tokens again a rare reward from TH. That way Jagex makes money, players can get the unique walks etc... and hoarders can still manipulate all they want, but at least this way it is clear these items are no longer "discontinued." Jagex released the fish masks as discontinued to sell spins and honestly it was a mistake. There should never be another discontinued item since partyhats/masks/etc...


I agree, I am hoping this makes them give us community some response.
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03-May-2021 11:10:35

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i am sorry to burst everyone's bubble but they will never rerelease it as they are just to lazy to do anything that requires work, jagex employs are underpaid and neglected. if they wanted to rerelease the tokens and promotes they would have done so 3 years ago. all i am saying is that there is no point in rerelease them (as some of the events didn't generate enough money for it to be worth it for them) that why you get the same classic treasured hunter events such as phoenix or shadow gem events and such


i remember last summer they release a new assassin outfit however no assassin walk why could this be.
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03-May-2021 16:15:23

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Cute,

Jagex did "fix" earhart rarity after complaints. In my view, this was unnecessary and actually "broke" what wasn't broken, but they did respond.

It seems like if players fuss, Jagex will do anything. I'm against such behaviour. Surprised is not "fussing" in this thread: I just mean to say, nothing is safe from the mob, not tokens, not rares, not untradeable missed holiday events.

That's sad to hear Jagex employees are underpaid and mistreated. Maybe the game doesn't make enough? I'm appreciative of the game we have... I try to show respect. None of these items mean anything, at the end of the day. This is a game. If the game ends, our items vanish. So, I certainly wish to be supportive.
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03-May-2021 17:11:29

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cute me said :
i am sorry to burst everyone's bubble but they will never rerelease it as they are just to lazy to do anything that requires work, jagex employs are underpaid and neglected. if they wanted to rerelease the tokens and promotes they would have done so 3 years ago. all i am saying is that there is no point in rerelease them (as some of the events didn't generate enough money for it to be worth it for them) that why you get the same classic treasured hunter events such as phoenix or shadow gem events and such


i remember last summer they release a new assassin outfit however no assassin walk why could this be.


Adding on to what Trip said, I am sorry but this is a very pessimistic stance to take on the whole issue.

Look, how they treat their employees or not is an important matter for the purpose of this thread, but it should be a VERY IMPORTANT matter for us community overall.
I doubt we as a community can do much about it. I would love to if we can protest to ask for better conditions for Jmods, because at the end of the day it's their sweat and hard work that keeps this game going.

But coming back to the topic of this thread, your assumption that they neglect the game and don't care about it at all is wrong in my opinion. I attribute it more to a lack of resources than malice, laziness or sheer corporate greed. I think those issues are more at the investor and systemic levels, not the individuals.

Mod Warden cried on stream recently because of the Lockout issue.

I continue to have faith in Jagex.
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04-May-2021 08:38:26 - Last edited on 04-May-2021 08:40:41 by Surprised

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SUPPORT!

The manipulations on these things is egregious.

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05-May-2021 11:14:59

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I agree. I would like to see Jagex be more direct, and transparent about their intentions with any items released on TH. I don't see an issue with Jagex releasing tokens with the intention of them being discontinued, and marketing them as such. This will entice collectors/investors, give players who want to unlock them the opportunity to do so at low prices at release, and likely make Jagex a lot more revenue. Folks are more inclined to purchase Treasure Hunter Keys, and Bonds to try to obtain rare tokens that are trading for 50m or 100s of millions of GP as opposed to "junk status" tokens in the 10k - 500k range. It is a win win for Jagex to be clear about the fate of tokens upon release, and market them as such. Imagine how much more revenue they could have gained from the Gemerator promotion if the intention was to leave them discontinued during the final release.

If the intention is to reintroduce, then there should be more thought and consideration for how to allow these tokens to maintain some value. There are numerous ideas with incredible merit in the Treasure Hunter forum section, including the "token sink" concept. There needs to be a way for tokens to also exit the game, although I'll leave that comment at that since I know that isn't the purpose of this thread. :P

In the past, we've seen terms such as "Rare", "Limited", etc. We have seen some tokens continuously reintroduced such as the Rainbow tokens as a part of that promotion and then others never return (or at least hasn't been back for years).

If some tokens are reintroduced and others aren't, this seems awfully arbitrary. Consistency is key. I personally don't understand the sentiment, or negative stigma surrounded by players hoarding or collecting a particular item. There are incredibly limited items like 3rd age and 2nd age which we've seen historically "pumped" with little to no Jagex interference. .
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05-May-2021 13:29:55

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I completely agree with you Theos, trying to control players from 'pumping' in their individual capacity is a slippery slope, however there is one FC in particular that is notorious for this 'pump and dump' and pyramid scheme exploitation, and a host of other toxic behavior that I don't want to go into this thread.
BUT That too is nothing new and has existed since the inception of the game.

Jagex should I think intervene if 'clans' or 'FC's' are deliberately spreading toxicity because it's an easy fix, if you ban one, it stops others from propagating out of fear.

Regardless though, what has allowed these mosquitoes to breed is the stagnant communication and sharing their intentions around tokens. This leads to ambiguity that can very well be exploited.

ESPECIALLY, since these rewards are linked to MTX.

Also from a buyer's perspective, For example,

Player wants to buy partyhats, can buy one knowing fully well that they are forever discontinued.

You cannot do that for say, zombie walk, which is not technically discontinued token.
You may pay 10b for it today and it can be released again tomorrow.
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05-May-2021 15:00:31 - Last edited on 05-May-2021 15:01:34 by Surprised

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The one thing that we ought to keep in mind is that when Jagex operates on Treasure Hunter, they are operating in the mindset of Runescape as a business, as opposed to a game. I mean, we all know this to be true of what they do, period.. but this is the very pinnacle of the content that will be handled from a business perspective. Jagex has been extremely vague about the nature of the future availability of certain items released via Treasure Hunter, and it is pretty safe to say that there is business logic behind this.

Promos are released, they make money, and then they evaluate their earnings.

If I had to take a guess, items in the promo schema that Zombie Walk, Tribal Pet, etc.. did not actually sell very well. Without the foresight of these items not being rereleased, there wasn't much incentive to buy into these promos in the first place, if you were around and did the stamp cards you may remember thinking how stupid these promos were.

When promos don't sell well, they are less likely to be rereleased. I suspect that most of these "limited by chance" tokens were just due to the fact that their parent promotion was a flop. It is precisely this though, that led to the trend of pseudo-discontinued "limited by chance" promos. Once it became a thing... that certain promotional items were just not coming back and therefore they could be price manipulated by creating a supply shock (or a pyramid scheme > pump and dump for the top of the pyramid, as was mentioned in an earlier post, which further facilitates a supply shock), that's when the new sales meta began.

Very few items have been rereleased after dormancy for years, and I suggest that it is because any promo with new tokens that comes out has the potential to not return again. This creates demand for the new tokens in virtue of the fact that they are new. Effectively, by achieving this state of "possibly but maybe not discontinued" status for tokens, they have made their product more desirable.

08-May-2021 10:56:12

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continued from above...

If they were to rerelease certain tokens, I don't think they are choosing not to because it would "ruin banks"... keep in mind that they did damage with the Conga Walk rereleases, so they aren't afraid of that. Rather, it is because having tokens such as Zombie Walk, Gem cape/sack, and even untradable ones such as shadow virtus not return to the game creates a series of items which were available on treasure hunter which were only obtained in game by those who got a hold of them during their only one or two promos of availability. This creates possible demand for new promos, any new promo could have tokens that won't be rereleased more than one time, or with very low frequency if ever, with the customer's thinking that they could get rich because these tokens may be merched way up at some point in time.

What confuses me though, is the constant rerelease of a certain few promos and no removal of cosmetics from those. Maybe they are just more consistent, or maybe it is a step in an ethical direction that they aren't using the tricks mentioned above to make more money. I don't know.

I suspect that certain tokens will come back in some fashion or another, but that other ones will remain discontinued, and that there will be little rhyme or reason to which tokens are which. The key thing is though, none of these items are officially discontinued and I doubt Jagex will speak out about this part to any extent. Technically Christmas Scythe and Holly Wreath aren't either (wreath, only 1000 can exist in game at a time, that's how they described it on release... if someone were to alch one or feed to baby troll.. technically Jagex 'could' rerelease until the cap of 1,000 were in game again), but as we have seen from the rubber turkeys and conga walks, anything, token or otherwise, that doesn't have a promise of "permanently discontinued" is fair game for possible rerelease, however unlikely.

08-May-2021 11:10:05 - Last edited on 08-May-2021 11:19:56 by Fearless AFK

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