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Dilbert2001
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Totally nonsense. My comment was clearly referred to you calling us "gaslighting". You still have yet to show us where did we "gaslight" you. We didn't mean to. We are just giving our opinion we can, just like the two of you can give your opinions too. Why don't we say you gaslighted us? Nope, I won't because this is not gaslighting.

09-Jun-2023 06:06:37

H 1 L D A
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Dilbert, in your case, its gaslighting because you don't know when to give it up. What you do is you lie, then you reinforce the lie with bogus quotes that you take out of context, and you try to make literally anyone who has an opposing opinion to yours feel stupid.

In this thread - I'm not your poor victim. A Cole, and any other skiller reading this thread by proxy, are.

Either you specifically are the type to tell someone their way of playing a video game renders their opinion on said game useless, or you aren't and you don't agree with people who said that.

You can't have both.
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09-Jun-2023 06:24:46

Dilbert2001
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H I L D A

By you definition of "gaslighting", you are actually the one who are gaslighting me, the person I replied to who disagreed with you and the RS3 Jmods who also disagreed with you. All of us are the poor victims rather.

RS3 Jmods developed the game, they don't tell anybody their way of playing a video game. We all have to play the way they developed the game, regardless you agreed with them or not. Me and the other user are just pointing out the fact.

09-Jun-2023 06:35:25

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And the way they developed the game, you can choose to employ self restrictions such as not training your combat stats. You can even choose to have Jagex's resources lock you out of certain functions such as the trade option or the Grand Exchange in the case of Ironmen.

That would make a skiller just as valid a source of feedback as a mainscaper.

From that, Am I to gather that you don't actually agree with Bertel then? Because it sure sounds like you do and are deflecting.
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09-Jun-2023 06:49:34 - Last edited on 09-Jun-2023 06:49:52 by H 1 L D A

Dilbert2001
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H 1 L D A said :
And the way they developed the game, you can choose to employ self restrictions such as not training your combat stats. You can even choose to have Jagex's resources lock you out of certain functions such as the trade option or the Grand Exchange in the case of Ironmen.

That would make a skiller just as valid a source of feedback as a mainscaper.

From that, Am I to gather that you don't actually agree with Bertel then? Because it sure sounds like you do and are deflecting.


I certainly agreed with Bertel, and that's what the RS3 Jmods told us they are doing in the game, including Necromancy. "Pures" can have their opinions but all along all these years the team doesn't spend a lot of time doing specific things for a tiny group of players or game mode. They don't make "pure" specific content, just like they don't make Quest Speedrunning content for just like 5 concurrent players and call them "huge". This is the direction of RS3, it won't matter if you like it or not.

09-Jun-2023 16:43:42

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Dilbert2001 said :
I certainly agreed with Bertel, and that's what the RS3 Jmods told us they are doing in the game, including Necromancy. "Pures" can have their opinions but all along all these years the team doesn't spend a lot of time doing specific things for a tiny group of players or game mode. They don't make "pure" specific content, just like they don't make Quest Speedrunning content for just like 5 concurrent players and call them "huge". This is the direction of RS3, it won't matter if you like it or not.
"Pures" can have their opinions


Yay! I can have opinions again!

but all along all these years the team doesn't spend a lot of time doing specific things for a tiny group of players or game mode.


I'd never ask them to. That's why creating an account and locking yourself out of certain content makes the game more interesting. It's a similar concept to why discontinued items are so popular - if it was easy to do or obtain, then there'd be no reason to do it.

However, there are many types of pure accounts in RS, and it's dangerous to forget they exist. The language used in the Necromancy reveal gave false hope to the skiller pure accounts.

So as much as you like putting words in our mouths and changing the course of the conversation, please read this next statement carefully:

I am here to talk about how Jagex communicated the Necromancy information. I am not here to complain that Necromancy isn't pure friendly.



~A~

09-Jun-2023 21:13:35

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A  Cole said :


I am here to talk about how Jagex communicated the Necromancy information. I am not here to complain that Necromancy isn't pure friendly.



~A~


They clearly answered your question already:

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/necromancy-first-look-expanded#_ga=2.186607722.232435668.1685760604-2110636823.1685760604

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1834089273

09-Jun-2023 21:52:17 - Last edited on 09-Jun-2023 22:16:55 by Dilbert2001

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There's a pretty good chance A Cole has already seen the sources you shared with him, and we'v already touched on why those sources aren't exactly "clear."

Here, I'll provide a sentence from the newspost.

"Rituals are an important part of progressing your Necromantic power and freeing the souls of the undead - or if you're more the trading type, acquire materials that can be sold on the G.E to others.
For the less combat curious, Rituals can be also used as a non-combat method to level Necromancy.'


How much does "less combat curious" mean? Does it mean Skillers can partake in the activity and not get Necromancy experience from it - or is it just referring to players that are merely a little combat adverse (maybe because they dislike the combat system, or because they aren't particularly interested in bossing or Slayer.)?

If it's a combat skill, why is there such a selling point in the first place that would try to bait skillers into "leveling" the skill? If this is going to ruin my stats, what's the payoff? Is there something other than combat and making money that Necromancy affects that may be worth ruining my pure over?

These are the questions A Cole was asking - in response to the sources you shared.

It's okay to ask Jagex for clarity, and just because it seems clear to you doesn't necessarily mean it is so for others.
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10-Jun-2023 00:05:23

Dilbert2001
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H 1 L D A said :
There's a pretty good chance A Cole has already seen the sources you shared with him, and we'v already touched on why those sources aren't exactly "clear."

Here, I'll provide a sentence from the newspost.

"Rituals are an important part of progressing your Necromantic power and freeing the souls of the undead - or if you're more the trading type, acquire materials that can be sold on the G.E to others.
For the less combat curious, Rituals can be also used as a non-combat method to level Necromancy.'


How much does "less combat curious" mean? Does it mean Skillers can partake in the activity and not get Necromancy experience from it - or is it just referring to players that are merely a little combat adverse (maybe because they dislike the combat system, or because they aren't particularly interested in bossing or Slayer.)?

If it's a combat skill, why is there such a selling point in the first place that would try to bait skillers into "leveling" the skill? If this is going to ruin my stats, what's the payoff? Is there something other than combat and making money that Necromancy affects that may be worth ruining my pure over?

These are the questions A Cole was asking - in response to the sources you shared.

It's okay to ask Jagex for clarity, and just because it seems clear to you doesn't necessarily mean it is so for others.


The RS3 Q&A livestream answered all these questions already. Our posta on these threads have also quoted the answers from the livestreams. Nobody is "baited" into leveling Necromancy. The rewards are simply great. A Cole's stats is already "ruined" over a decade ago already. How are these the questions A Cole was asking anyway????? :D

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