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If I were a one of those 1 percent RS3 players that literally couldn't log in for the entire month of March, I would
absolutely
expect RS3's team to delay content releases (which they did) in order to focus on bringing the ability to play the game back to every consumer that had to wait that long.

Nope. Regardless of if that guy's data is true or false, that guy's probably well off enough that he wouldn't be on the verge of tears. Again, Pips being there is a significant deal because it means Jagex is trying to make the best possible PR showing possible in the face of what should be an extremely frustrating situation for consumers. If I were heartless, I would call Warden's emotional showing crocodile tears to serve the same means. I'm not though.

Is that your default excuse for when something goes wrong in RS3 but not in Old School, Dilbert? Sheer luck? Is the worst thing that can ever happen in RS3 a missing trapdoor?

Again, the backend issues are a company-wide concern, so when you and Dino want to pointlessly mock OSRS for having inferior technology, you're literally mocking some of the same tech RS3 players need to log in without losing any progress on their account.

Finally, and my ultimate point, was that one way the community can be healed after having two separate games for a decade was to introduce a new chat channel in each game that preserved players' access to clan chats in either game. You and Dino went down the path of mocking one game's infrastructure and claiming that you couldn't do something like that as a result, because apparently you're as wise and knowledgeable as the J-Mods, and it's not like you can already talk to RS3 players in Old School through your Friends' Chats.

I'll go ahead and tell you the answer again. Zero. That -is- relevant, because Old School didn't need any tearful live stream and spending weeks of time just trying to make their game playable that went over business hours.
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09-Jun-2023 04:48:27

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Nobody said the Login Logout incident wasn't significant. It was. Mod Pips also made an extraordinary appearance on OSRS Reddit regarding restoring stolen wealth to some OSRS players by an arrested OSRS Jmod too. It was also important. But what does it have anything to do with RS3?

RS3 made the feel good event just to give something to the players. If OSRS players wanted the similar compensations I don't doubt they would get them too.

Nobody mocked OSRS for inferior technologies. They have inferior technologies unfortunately because they never built foundations from 10 years ago, but nobody mocked them. Various Jmods such as Mod Ash also complained about 'spaghetti codes" many times but they didn't mock OSRS. They are just admitting the fact.

Please also realize the TECHLOGIES we are talking about are on the application level, not on the back end both RS3 and OSRS are sharing, not what caused the login logout problems. We are talking about the different in quality of the two games' source codes.

Zero cocerns? Why are players leaving OSRS? Why did player even start and comment on this thread with worries about Necromancy's effect on OSRS?

09-Jun-2023 05:00:53 - Last edited on 09-Jun-2023 05:02:50 by Dilbert2001

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OP literally said I was right in assuming he got his idea OSRS was getting the short straw from looking at the OS section of the RSOF. So, according to the 5 or so geniuses there, OSRS won't live to see tomorrow morning. ;)

I'm not surprised you missed that. I've let you exaggerate about Old School's looming demise this whole thread because I knew you had.

Can you show me Ash complaining about Spaghetti code. I wanna see how you misunderstood him, now.
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09-Jun-2023 05:08:56

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Huh? Players leaving OSRS means it won't live to see tomorrow morning? I don't think they are in such desperate shape. Players are leaving in other aging games with no much new content to play for too, not just OSRS and they won't all die before tomorrow morning. Besides, if leaving OSRS players are going to play Necromancy in RS3, Jagex won't be losing any profits, this may actually make OSRS live longer than when such players are leaving Jagex.

Mod Ash complained about "spaghetti codes" in many occasions. For instance,

"
Mod Ash
@JagexAsh
Ugh - that's some of the nastiest spaghetti code going, other than maybe BA. The actual 'hitting' bit has a success chance of 31% at level 1 (if that were permitted) and 94% at level 99, from what I can see. Interpolate linearly between those for other levels.
3:31 PM · Oct 22, 2021"


https://twitter.com/JagexAsh/status/1451632387050323976

He mentioned BA too. Perhaps that's why not many players play it? Just this simple post alone, Mod Ash has complained about spaghetti codes in both BA and black jack failure hit rates.

Please tell us did Mod Ash, the Principal Content Developer and Temporary Product Manger of OSRS mock OSRS for its inferior technologies? Did Mod Ash exaggerate about OSRS's looming demise?

09-Jun-2023 05:16:43 - Last edited on 09-Jun-2023 05:32:50 by Dilbert2001

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Ah, you're not good with sarcasm either. Listen. Old School isn't going anywhere. Rumors of its demise? Greatly exaggerated, or in the OP's case, gleaned from not enough sample data.

Let's break down a......personal tweet. God forbid anyone complain about work in their spare time.

1. Mod Ash does this thing where he literally responds to every player who tweets at him. It's endearing.

2. He was asked about the blackjacking fail rates, which was released in 2005. If we're going to play "is this a company-wide issue" then yes, this spaghetti code exists in RS3 too, because Blackjacking was introduced before the Old School backup from August of 2007. Didn't need to clear the spaghetti in either game because new thieving methods were introduced...

3. Also didn't need to clear the spaghetti because Blackjacking doesn't need to be fixed.

4. Ash is still able to answer the question posited in spite of the fact that he had to dig through the spaghetti to find the answer.

Your answer, is no. He complained about code that had no defined structure because he's a good person and wanted to provide the person who tweeted at him a definitive answer. He also wouldn't exaggerate about OSRS' looming demise because he had no need to flash sarcasm to an absolute menace of a forum poster like I did, and it's well documented that Old School's existence is solely responsible for Ash still being employed by Jagex to this day.
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09-Jun-2023 06:18:35

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Your big misconception here. Spaghetti codes exist in 2007 and OSRS now don't necessarily have to be in RS3. RS3 is being frequently updated with far more content than OSRS. When they made updates after 2007 the last 16 years, they likely have updated such codes too. We don't hear any RS3 Jmods complaining about spaghetti codes or there are codes they don't want to change.

I don't see where is the "rumor of OSRS's looming demise". I only saw something like "OSRS is dying" in the forum but it doesn't say things like "looming demise that OSRS won't live until tomorrow morning". Players leaving, streamers losing interest, viewers and not many subs? Yes, but OSRS's looming demise? Not tomorrow, especially when they are going to RS3.

Spaghetti codes or not, looming demise of OSRS or not, I don't think parting OSRS players really care. They only care about what they see, what they can play in a game, and go there naturally. If they think Diablo 4 or Rust are good, they leave OSRS for them now, but if they find Necromancy makes RS3 better they may play RS3. Who cares about OSRS solely when there are so many games to chose naturally now?

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RS3 also doesn't have a Mod that takes time out of their day to answer any and all questions about RuneScape on their Twitter account the way Mod Ash does questions about Old School.

I would almost bet you money Blackjacking hasn't been updated in any meaningful way that would make finding the answer Ash provided for that player easier. If you can prove that it was, I'd be impressed.

I'm sure you probably did. The RSOF aren't a great source for how people feel about Old School, especially because they have their own forum tucked -within- the rest of the forums as if it were a subforum. There's not much traffic in there at all, same as here in the Future Updates Forum, save for some probably usual suspects that don't even number into the hundreds, some of whom frequent other RSOF spots concerned with RS3 too, and the general rule of thumb on the internet is that people are more likely to complain than give praise when anonymous.

Take all of that into account, and you are left needing far more sources of opinions about Old School RuneScape than you were offered before you can make the claim the OP did. I've already corrected him on it, he already took the correction in stride and hasn't been seen here since.

The only one babbling about players playing other video games sometimes (which is a natural anti-burnout tactic and isn't worth having any discussion over), is you now.

But here's the thing, Dilbert. Instead of arguing with the OP, you ran with it, and have for about six forum pages now - because "Old School is dying" fits a particular narrative you carry. So does pointing out, factual or otherwise, that Old School has less remarkable technology than RS3.

"RS3 gud, OS bad."
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09-Jun-2023 07:05:36

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RS3 mods will love to find more time to answer questions. They even said they want to do data streams that OSRS are afraid to do since years ago. The problem is they aren't allowed to. When they aren't allowed to even produce more livestreams, how can you expect them to spend more time to tell us anything?

Actually we are getting more and more RS3 development and artist Jmods replies on Reddit now. It used to be only Mod Hooli and the other CM.

OSRS's technologies are dying, it is not that much about OSRS the game is dying. That's we can't ignore. Even Jagex and their CEO Mod Pips put diversifying the companies investment and removing old stacks are risks on the Safe Harbor statement of their latest Companies House Financial Report filing. Their intention is clear. Jagex have to move their investments to modern technologies and new games. This also give parting OSRS players more choices than just RS3.

09-Jun-2023 16:39:13

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Survival of the fittest. Natural selection will determine when will be the date of "looming demise" of OSRS when all servers are shut down.

Meanwhile, there is nothing Jagex can do to stop all those new and bigger games to prosper and continue to prosper. We have D4, ESO Necrom etc. Soon we will see expansions from other bigger MMO like Black Desert. Then FFXVI comes later this month. Of course, Jagex has their own Necromancy and Jagex Accounts games coming soon. They know they have to put up quality in their games built with 15 years of solid foundations.

Anyway we have Necromancy in RS3 soon, but I am impartial if OSRS players go play Jagex's other games or even non-Jagex games. Natural selection is always fair. Let's see where will departing OSRS go to. :)

10-Jun-2023 15:51:59 - Last edited on 10-Jun-2023 16:05:20 by Dilbert2001

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