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H 1 L D A
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ROSF seems to suggest that Jagex doesn't care about OSRS!?

There's a couple of maxims that should be taken into account here.

1. People are more likely to use their words to complain rather than to offer praise.
2. The ROSF has an average active user count in the single digits.

Old School, as well as RuneScape 3, are finding success in different areas. There are some points to be made about each game where improvement could stand to be invested in, but a vocal minority of dissent, especially from like...six people, some of whom overlap with the RS3 section of the forums, definitely doesn't paint the picture that Jagex doesn't care about either game.

OSRS has only grown its mod team, it consistently has many active players online, and has thoroughly beaten the odds that it would be a flash in the pan project that would die young.

You'll need to check beyond the forums to find any definitive consensus.
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02-Jun-2023 21:26:13

Dilbert2001
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^^
If this post is meant for me, you argue with the wrong person. OP brought up the forums (note not RSOF) and their concerns of OSRS players, not me. Besides, by "forums", I think they mean all social media forums, not just RSOF anyway.

02-Jun-2023 21:34:44

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Why use a "regardless" if you're so confident I'm wrong, hmm?

If you're referring to bleeds and the like that are brought about by abilities, abilities are generally built on top of the need to actually click on a target to "target" them. Unlike a prayer, you need to be "in combat" in order to use an ability in most cases, especially ones that would deal damage.

If you're ranging, you can simply click on a target to fire your bow at them for auto attack damage. That's still direct damage. If you use a ranged ability, and it gives you higher numbers, it's still more direct damage.

For defensives, Let's assume you're praying Deflect from Ranged, and you click on Devotion. the target is receiving their own ranged damage being deflected back onto them.

I'd love to see you bring a Mod in to verify.

Again, you mistake humility for lack of affirmation.
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02-Jun-2023 21:35:28

Dilbert2001
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Why should they? Jagex makes the game. They designed everything in the game. They are the "dictionary" of their game.

Good that you admittedly you are not the "dictionary", "Regardless" doesn't mean lack of confident. It means whatever you wrote is irrelevant to the fact, following the word "regardless".

"For defensives, Let's assume you're praying Deflect from Ranged, and you click on Devotion. the target is receiving their own ranged damage being deflected back onto them."


Since when is a prayer a combat style like magic, ranged and melee? Please bring a mod to verify.

02-Jun-2023 21:42:15

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Again, never said prayer was a combat style. That point was to illustrate that defensive abilities still need to work on targets or those who are attacking you in order to deal damage, and that something causing damage to you directly seems to be something that combat styles share.

You seem to be doing a whole lot of assuming, Dilbert. What I'm saying, what the OP is saying when they type "forums", what Jagex is saying.

The reason I believe the OP truly was referring to the Old School "forums" as in the RSOF, is because the mood there much more aptly matches the negative stance they are believing Jagex is taking with Old School.

I don't like to automatically assume people are blind.
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02-Jun-2023 22:03:45

Dilbert2001
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H 1 L D A said :
Again, never said prayer was a combat style. That point was to illustrate that defensive abilities still need to work on targets or those who are attacking you in order to deal damage, and that something causing damage to you directly seems to be something that combat styles share.

You seem to be doing a whole lot of assuming, Dilbert. What I'm saying, what the OP is saying when they type "forums", what Jagex is saying.

The reason I believe the OP truly was referring to the Old School "forums" as in the RSOF, is because the mood there much more aptly matches the negative stance they are believing Jagex is taking with Old School.

I don't like to automatically assume people are blind.

Again, you didn't even give us an example of defensive abilities, especially now you even admitted your quote of prayer is irrelevant.

I am not just talking about defensive abilities anyway. I am talking about magic spells don't have to be offensive, not abilities. Animate Dead doesn't damage any mob, for example.

02-Jun-2023 22:42:10

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I literally said Devotion, which is in fact a defensive that makes protect and deflect prayers deflect 100 percent damage up from 75%. The damage deflected is being dealt by the target using one of the direct combat styles, but because you are praying against it, the damage hits them instead.

> defensive ability

> target is using Melee, Magic, or Ranged.

> target takes the damage directly.

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Magic is understood both as a skill -and- a combat style, and Magic, like Necromancy will be, is unique in that it has a lot of non-damaging and even non-combat uses. Animate Dead is a Magic spell that reduces damage relative to magic tank armor worn and isn't offensive. Sure. that wasn't my argument. My argument is that combat STYLES share the characteristic that they deal damage directly to the target as if they are a rule.

> You are either punching, stabbing, slicing, or bashing the target to death with Melee.

> You are sending solid projectiles through the air either by throwing them or by launching them from ranged weaponry with Ranged.

> You cast offensive spells to deal damage to the target with Magic.

> You use necrotic energy or summoned undead to deal damage with Necromancy.

Prayer merely changes the amount of damage other styles do in some way. Summoning familiars only deal enough damage to assist with a kill and will never deal enough to kill most targets alone. Those are passive sources of damage as opposed to the active ones above.

Nobody is calling Prayer or Summoning a combat style.
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02-Jun-2023 23:59:04 - Last edited on 03-Jun-2023 00:02:40 by H 1 L D A

Dilbert2001
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Please don't deflect the discussion of combat skills to devotion, a prayer. Please realize Animate Dead is a combat magic skill. It requires no target, and has no way to damage the target. Magic is simply not how you definite. Thank Guthix you are not a RS3 game designer. :D

03-Jun-2023 01:30:00

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