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Dilbert2001
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Now, to everybody else who want to discuss more on OSRS players being annoyed by OSRS and RS3's Necromancy skill, I see it as just a way of natural selection.

When OSRS players aren't happy with the game they have been playing, or they want something new for a change of pace, of course they will look up something new to play. Some may play Diablo 4, or Diablo Immortal if they have phones. Some may play Rust. So what's so special if they play RS3, or even SCUM?

It is not just one update of a game that cause players to move over. It is the game in its entirety. If it is better than OSRS, then players will go there naturally, following the unavoidable guidance of Charles Darwin. For those OSRS players who are concerned by their friends going over to RS3, their concern should better be why is OSRS not competent or why don't they follow their friends to play RS3... or Rust or Diablo 4?

03-Jun-2023 01:46:54

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If you’re going to lean into this whole “I’m an asshole” schtick, at least be right.

Devotion is a threshold defensive ability that you can use with 1 Defense. It was previously unlockable through the Bird and the Beast World Event, and can now be unlocked through Anima Island or at God Wars.

Thank God you aren’t one either. If Mod Jack offends people the broader community would leave Rs3 in larger droves than the EoC caused. :D
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BrunoNutto
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H 1 L D A said :
Is Necromancy trying to update the EoC...-

Short Answer, yes.

The goal for Necromancy is to provide a combat style that exists outside of the existing triangle and functions differently without directly impacting the existing styles. Should this be received with positive feedback from players, you can expect to see the other styles reworked to follow suit. If less than positive, more development time will be spent on making Necromancy itself better before those styles see any change.

...to specifically bring Old Schoolers over to RuneScape 3?

No.

While the update will most likely result in a easier-to-grasp combat system long term, it seems to be the largest change they can make to the Evolution of Combat without making it so invasive that we have another exodus of players like the one that took place during the EoC's launch in 2012, which was cemented when Old School was released shortly after.

The goal is to make existing players have more options when it comes to experiencing higher end combat, be that through the more-easily-seen PvM route, but perhaps laying the groundwork for reviving a PvP scene. Both PvM and PvP in Rs3 can be argued to have too high of a skill floor for the average player to get into. Necromancy, with a much lower chance to splash damage, ever neutral damage taken and received, and relegation of basic abilities into auto-attacks, looks to make the EoC "simpler" without removing the skill ceiling that current players have been able to reach.

It only applies to Old Schoolers in the same way any new skill would. Maybe they log in and decide they like it or not and it draws them to Rs3, but it's not meant to try and kill off OSRS. If it were, this skill is a good 8 or so years too late.

Great response. I guess it is too late to bring the two communities back together again. Too much has probably happened in the intervening years.

03-Jun-2023 09:41:40

BrunoNutto
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H 1 L D A said :

The reason I believe the OP truly was referring to the Old School "forums" as in the RSOF, is because the mood there much more aptly matches the negative stance they are believing Jagex is taking with Old School.

Yes I was, I'm sorry I didn't make that clear.

03-Jun-2023 09:46:17

Dilbert2001
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BrunoNutto said :


Great response. I guess it is too late to bring the two communities back together again

As I mentioned, OSRS's demise is only the problem of that game. If players are leaving OSRS, from Jagex's perspective they will like them to go to RS3 and their other games instead of Diablo and Rust etc. However, they aren't trying to bring the two communities together. At least what RS3 is doing is trying to bring consumers of the like mind all over the real world (and not just the game industry) to the game.

It is all about natural selection. If departing OSRS players want to go to Diablo, Rust etc instead of RS3 and other Jagex games. I don't think Jagex will try hard to drag their feet because there are far more new players they are gaining with the same efforts they are making.

03-Jun-2023 17:25:14

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I don't think it's too late to reconnect the RS3 community to their OSRS counterparts at all, but I think what everyone has to understand is, Jagex's best option at this point for going about such a bridge effort is to acknowledge that both games exist and are successful, and focus their effort on either promoting each game to the other community, or working on ways to make accessing those other players through either game easier.

I feel like Jagex might even be aware of this with their work on the Jagex Accounts project. The amount of accounts you can have at one time is extremely helpful not only for Old Schoolers who want a PvP account in every bracket, a couple of Irons, and their Main, with room for a few alts - it also gives them an opportunity to connect Rs3 accounts as well.

My suggestion would be for Jagex to introduce a new chat tab in each game that allows players to be able to participate in their clan chats from the opposite games. I'll dub this chat tab "Jagex Chat", and in the list of chat channels it would look something like this.

> Public Chat (overhead text, local to the area the character is in.)
> Private Chat* (Pms, player-to-player, is split chat in OSRS, can be in RS3.)
> Friends Chat* (often used for specific niche communities in RS3, such as penguin hunting.)
> Clan Chat (RS3 and OSRS have separate Clan Systems.)
> "Jagex Chat" (Would be the player's OSRS cc in RS3, or RS3 cc in OSRS.)

* - indicates that chat does work between games.

Currently, switching from RS3 to OSRS bars you from your RS3 clan chat, and vice-versa. That's a bummer, because it almost becomes like you're quitting the game to some in your community. I know third party chatrooms exist, but this could be a worthwhile investment if the end-all goal is to make one big "Jagex gaming community" - and this could be applied to non-RuneScape-Jagex titles too.
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04-Jun-2023 08:42:49

Dilbert2001
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Runescape membership is shared between RS3 and OSRS. OSRS can always come play RS3 if they haven't tried. The connection is always here. They don't need to wait for Jagex to "reconnect" them to RS3 when OSRS die.

TBH, Jagex and RS3 are getting ready to connect themselves to more new consumers more rather. OSRS players come to play RS3 is consensual just like the RS3 Jmods said Necromancy is about consensual relationship between the player and the undead. We are not enslaving the undead. Likewise, when OSRS players come to play RS3, they should find the similar consensual experience with RS3 players. They won't find the toxic players trying to enslave them like mindless zombies in some shady games.

RS3 and OSRS are two different games with different clans. OSRS's trashy 2007 technologies also hinder them to have the clan and chat systems RS3 players have been enjoying for a decade anyway. It is a general misconception to OSRS players when they see RS3 have a lot of things they think it is easy for OSRS to have the same thing. At least, they should ask Mod Ash and the likes about the spaghetti codes they keep complaining about project delayals.

04-Jun-2023 17:53:40 - Last edited on 04-Jun-2023 18:00:38 by Dilbert2001

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Right. When OSRS have to postpone a mere Forestry beta indefinitely following a login issue, we need to realize it is not the same beast as RS3.

The connection is there on the non-technical side though. We have the same Jagex Launcher and Premier Club offer. Even OSRS players who don't know a thing about RS3 can get 3 of 8 shards for a golden cape instantly when they move over.

06-Jun-2023 00:23:38

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What's worse, a beta where they introduce a totally new framework for Woodcutting (and other skills, for some reason.) and then have to postpone it because people can't even log into the worlds.

Or having a beta where players experience changes to the Fractured Staff of Armadyl and Animate Dead, players leave feedback, and then there are no changes to either after Jagex revealed what they had changed prior to the beta's launch.

One is a meaningless waste of time, and the other is just part of dealing with technology sometimes.

I'm at least confident that when that Forestry beta goes live, and players inevitably nix some of its contents, that Jagex will actually listen to that there feedback.
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06-Jun-2023 03:20:52 - Last edited on 06-Jun-2023 03:21:19 by H 1 L D A

Dilbert2001
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Don't you realize Jagex stick with their original plan after the beta because players told them they liked the changes as is? For instance, TheRSGUy actually told us the changes actually give us a buff from 500k DPM to 510k DPM:

https://twitter.com/TheRSguyy/status/1654562435737550848?cxt=HHwWgIC8jZzxl_YtAAAA

RS3 has no problem with their technologies. OSRS can't eve run a beta world without breaking the entire game this week. Last week they recycled BH and broke pathing and caused dead clicks that brought the game down for hours. The week before they broke Mobile and Runelite. A week further back they broke 117Scape with graphics updates causing everybody on Runelite to disable 117Scape just to play the game.

Before OSRS can fix their garbage technologies without breaking their game, Runelite, Mobile or HDOS, there is no way they can "connect" to RS3 and/or other Jagex games and risk breaking Jagex entirely. :D

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