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Kalas K

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Zulkir said :
I know you've all waited years for this, but we all don't get what we want out of life and this just might be one of those things. I'm not here to laugh at your misery or to provoke you. I know, even I'm shocked.

I think Rite of Passage had its chance for release with Expansion content, and now that that's scrapped I doubt we'll be seeing this for quite a few years now... if at all?

My stance on this is the same as ever, The Quest pitched is boring and You didn't do yourselves any favors with the mass spam, it simply annoyed the wider "Community" to go mostly against you and this entire idea.

I'm not against an Armadyl quest, or an Abbinah quest, I'm against my ears being blasted by impatience for a rather weak quest idea that would leave a very dull impression on I'm guessing even a few of you were it to ever be released.

Honestly, helping a child fetch water? Add in island hopping all you want, that's enough to send someone to sleep.

I think "Rite of Passage" should be laid to rest, but that doesn't mean an Aviansie focused quest shouldn't be made. But it should be interesting, memorable, and be given the time it needs to be developed without being screamed about.

I'm just saying, maybe it's time, like the phoenix, you fall with dignity and rise into something people other than this small circled community can get behind, you won't win any votes/fans with this being your flagship quest, you've sunk that ship already.

Start fresh, perhaps get creative yourselves. Just do something other than roosting here crossing your fingers hoping for a quest we all know, and you should now accept, will likely never see the light of day.

This is absolutely spot on! The quest was always so boring sounding and did nothing to appeal to the wider audience. It was always about certain bird obsessed players making it as orgasm inducing to themselves as possible and nothing more.

20-Sep-2017 14:10:44

Kalas K

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The bird players attitudes of "us VS the rest of the community" didn't exactly endear them or their bad quest idea to other people either.

20-Sep-2017 14:12:09

Ava Enithesi

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Zulkir said :
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Well, I'm glad to see that you're not here to "laugh at our misery." And if you were, I'd not even be bothering to dignify it with a response. I even agree with some of your poimts—though not strongly. I do think that Jagex should at least consider alternatives. I've put quite a bit of thought into it and have even made some suggestions behind the scenes. Perhaps it's time for me to bring more of them to light. Even though putting this up on the suggestions forums (and even a link to it on Reddit and Twitter) will probably go nowhere, it is better than just doing nothing. If the expectations have indeed exceeded Mod Raven and Co.'s ability to deliver, then it is time to go back to the drawing board.

As for the alleged "spam." I think that anyone still sore about that just needs to get over it, quite frankly. The nature of Runelabs dictated that we needed eyeballs to get the mouse cursors on the "vote" button. And in order to do that, we needed to make some noise. Maybe we made too much noise; maybe that was a factor in losing subsequent polls, or maybe not. Tthat's basically irrelevant now. Runelabs has been dead and gone for over a year now, and the Summer Surveys results aren't gospel. RoP performed strongly among quests on last year's survey, but that wasn't good enough. Every time you've ever said anything to us, you can't help but bring up the community drama. C'mon, man...

Could this have been an Expansion? Yes. Abbinah is a perfect for for an expansion. We could have had the whole world released, with not just RoP, but also one or two additional quests. Alas, Expansions are dead. We were supposed to get "a little Aviansie lore and content" with Expansion 2, but...

And finally. You say the quest idea is boring, but blatantly misrepresent it. You leave out the discovery of another Elder Artefact and learning how Armadyl ascended. C'mon, man, you can be better than this...

20-Sep-2017 22:52:43

Halloween EP

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Can you guys just stop with this nonsense already. Since the day this garbage was pitched its been horrible. Nobody wants this filth except you guys. I'm very proud to say I voted against this trainwreck of an idea. If this quest pops up again in any future polls I'm going to renew my membership just to vote against it.

20-Sep-2017 23:06:52

Ava Enithesi

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Kalas K said :
The bird players attitudes of "us VS the rest of the community" didn't exactly endear them or their bad quest idea to other people either.

Most of the bird players had no such attitude. I might have, at one point, but I can tell you for sure that Swree and Arma never did. I don't blame "the community" in any way for their votes against us—I more blame Jagex for forcing us into this position by announcing this quest with great fanfare, only to yank the rug out from under us, then giving us the opportunity to have it made via Runelabs. Any "bird player" with an "us vs them attitude" has very likely quit RS altogether. But the "them" in their equation is more likely to be Jagex than "the community."

You appear to be under the impression that this was our idea. This couldn't be further from the truth. Mod Raven came up with it (possibly with some input from Mod Osborne). They announced it at Runefest and went into more detail about it on an "Above the Lore" podcast. All we were doing with the Runelabs ideas was saying "make this thing you said you wamted to make." We obviously also had to briefly describe what it was. All we're diong is holding Jagex accountable for their "promises," same as all the people who were on their case about Mining and Smithing Rework were.

You're also buying into Leth's misrepresentations by omission. If you still think that diving to the core of a "maelstrom" of a planet to retrieve water—a very important and formative ritual for fledgling Aviansies and their initiation into adulthood—all the while along the way discovering a previously unknown Elder Artefact (it's probably the Hammer, though) and discovering how Armadyl ascended is "boring," then that's fine. I've long since learned that trying to change the minds of detractors is a waste of time and energy. But if you're going to call it "boring," then the least you can do is be accurate about it.

20-Sep-2017 23:15:27

Ava Enithesi

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Halloween EP said :
Can you guys just stop with this nonsense already. Since the day this garbage was pitched its been horrible. Nobody wants this filth except you guys. I'm very proud to say I voted against this trainwreck of an idea. If this quest pops up again in any future polls I'm going to renew my membership just to vote against it.

You already missed your chance. They're also very unlikely to poll it against anything else, as that sort of thing "creates more unfinished business," which Jagex wants to avoid.

Also, we're perfectly entitled to post in this thread, so long as we don't use any illegitimate means to keep it up.

20-Sep-2017 23:19:17

Kalas K

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Ava Enithesi said :
Kalas K said :
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I'm making no assumptions and I am not buying into anything Leath said. I also know how ROP came about- I've played RS for over a decade and been involved with the community on and off for years.

Jagex may have initially pitched ROP- something I believe they bitterly regret due to the fact that certain players- in this thread have never, ever let it go- you are like a dog with a bone who just can't take the hint- Jagex don't want to make it anymore. It's embarrassing seeing bird lovers post on this thread stating their intention to hassle Mod Osbourne at Runefest about ROP- the poor man.

I always maintained that a quest that involved Armadyl himself and more backstory for him would be way more interesting and I stand by that- the Aviansie focus of the quest is not the most vital thing though.

As for your assertion that Swree and Armadyn never had the "us vs them" mentality- that is the biggest joke I have ever heard- perhaps they have mellowed now, since they have probably realised how their excluding none Aviansie lovers habits has alienated them from the rest of the community and probably damaged there chances at getting this dreadful quest made.

Honestly they were some of the worst people I have ever had the displeasure to encounter.

21-Sep-2017 09:07:52

GhostlyBard

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Halloween EP said :
Can you guys just stop with this nonsense already. Since the day this garbage was pitched its been horrible. Nobody wants this filth except you guys. I'm very proud to say I voted against this trainwreck of an idea. If this quest pops up again in any future polls I'm going to renew my membership just to vote against it.
Honestly it sounds like people are voting against this quest, just because they take umbrage with those involved in supporting it. That kind of political voting is frankly nonsensical, when in reality all your doing is cutting your nose off to spite your face.
If you genuinely feel like this quest isn't for you then fair enough. But if you're voting no, solely to deprive the quest supporters, who you see as being overly vocal, and irritating. Then you need to take at look at the kind of person you are. Check out Thieves guild layout redesign. Happy ‘scaping

21-Sep-2017 13:20:54

Ramooona

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Y'all are engaging with a couple of 20-post accounts whose posting histories consist entirely of defaming ROP. Consider the source, and don't dignify trolls with a response.

Leth isn't exactly a troll, but his history speaks for itself. He's used some pretty vile language in the past when talking about ROP and anyone who would dare to think it sounds like a neat idea. To be fair, a lot of that was deliberately to get a rise out of people, and he seems to have grown up some since then, but I still don't think most lorehounds take him seriously (disclaimer: I'm definitely not the kind of poster lorehounds take seriously).

Though, the detractors have a point. A quest about fetching water would probably enter the annals of RS's most phenomenally boring quests, just like that quest about attending a Vampyre party on top of Castle Drakan or the one about building a Guthixian temple on Karamja with Ivy Sophista.

21-Sep-2017 17:57:52

Kalas K

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GhostlyBard said :
Halloween EP said :
Can you guys just stop with this nonsense already. Since the day this garbage was pitched its been horrible. Nobody wants this filth except you guys. I'm very proud to say I voted against this trainwreck of an idea. If this quest pops up again in any future polls I'm going to renew my membership just to vote against it.
Honestly it sounds like people are voting against this quest, just because they take umbrage with those involved in supporting it. That kind of political voting is frankly nonsensical, when in reality all your doing is cutting your nose off to spite your face.
If you genuinely feel like this quest isn't for you then fair enough. But if you're voting no, solely to deprive the quest supporters, who you see as being overly vocal, and irritating. Then you need to take at look at the kind of person you are.

It's not cutting your nose off to spite your face if what you actually want is for the quest never to be made. Those avainsie role-players are nasty, cruel and spiteful, I hope you never get on their bad side.

22-Sep-2017 00:09:54

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