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Raphella
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Dilbert2001 said :
Feel free to tell us your experience on Player Owned Fort over the old POH on both the social and personal aspects.
I like the POH. I like to sit on its throne and think to myself, "I like this throne, in this house which I like." I also like FF, which I've only just started to build. I like to build the fort and think to myself, "I like building, in this fort which I like." I like most things. Life's just better that way. (Don't you agree?)... Except for turtles. I don't like turtles. Never uses treasure hunter keys. Never buys runecoins or bonds. Never pays extra for 'Premier' status or passes. Never will.

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Jolien2020
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Raphella said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Feel free to tell us your experience on Player Owned Fort over the old POH on both the social and personal aspects.
I like the POH. I like to sit on its throne and think to myself, "I like this throne, in this house which I like." I also like FF, which I've only just started to build. I like to build the fort and think to myself, "I like building, in this fort which I like." I like most things. Life's just better that way. (Don't you agree?)... Except for turtles. I don't like turtles.

I like the POH and i like Turtles :)

20-Feb-2023 12:55:31

Dilbert2001
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H 1 L D A said :
This is the constant conflict between the RS3 team and its playerbase. Sometimes, the players don’t necessarily want to parrot Jagex in terms of the games direction. Sometimes, players disagree with a direction the game is going with.

As for Construction, that’s not necessarily me. I think Fort Forinthry is a -wonderful- update. I think that’s a great direction to go.

I don’t think leaving areas of the game that players spend loads of their in game cash or resources on untouched for years at a time is respectful game design. I also believe there is so much potential to make the POH a fantastic goal to build up and fill out even in RS3 that shouldn’t be wasted.

Many people in the RS3 space have seen Jagex’s aim. Myself included.

That doesn’t mean -every- update has to completely render previous ones useless.

A few individual players don't represent RS3's playerbase. The fact that countless RS3 players are enjoying content in the New Fort absolutely tells the story.

Like all the other multiplayer games, even OSRS is taking POH content outside it with Mahogany Homes, Lecterns outside POH and such. Are they in constant conflict with OSRS the OSRS playerbase too? Why don't OSRS and the other games put all the open world content like farming in their POH?

20-Feb-2023 16:03:15

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I want to set the record straight on Mahogany Homes and Construction Contracts on our side of the fence.

That update, regardless of which game we're talking about here, wasn't -ever- intended to be marketed as "You can do construction in the overworld!" first and foremost.

Those two updates solve two major issues with Construction as a skill.

> For many players, Construction simply costs too much money to train.

> Construction at the time of both updates' releases was much too click-intensive of a skill.

For Old Schoolers, Mahogany Homes is a significant update for those two reasons -way- more than it is being an overworld activity. And with Fort Forinthry now here, Construction Contracts assuredly only fills those two niches before being "the way to train con outside of the POH."

Here's the thing though - Neither of those updates, nor Fort Forinthry, is the best experience per hour.

You playing Old School RuneScape? You wanna be doing Mahogany Tables.

You playing RS3? You -still- want to be doing Flotsam Prawnbrokers - and you need a POH for that.

As for farming, I highly doubt Old Schoolers would -complain- about having a farming patch in their POH either. The difference is that Old School's POH already is seen as an incredibly powerful asset (perhaps too much so!) due to the game's tendency to use quality of life upgrades in the skill's reward space following the skill's expansion.

RuneScape 3's POH is teetering on dead content, and desperately needs something to make it even hold value.
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20-Feb-2023 23:26:26

Dilbert2001
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^^
"You can do construction in the overworld!"
with Construction Contracts in RS3 and Mahogany Homes in OSRS.

We absolutely can do construction in the overworld even before Construction Constracts. We have had numerous ways to train construction in RS3, even if you willfully deny what your eyes can see. We, the playerbase, meaning EVERYBODY who are still playing and are not disinterested in RS3, can absolutely see that fact with our own eyes.

POH is just a confined instance with limited activities. We, the playerbase of RS3, who are still actively playing and not disinterested in RS3 lots of immensely powerful Playered Owned Content outside our POH that very few other multiplayer games have. That's why even OSRS is following the leader. OSRS is not going to put a POF in their POH but they are also trying to bring copy a tiny bit of RS3's POF into their game and outside POH with bees farming. That shows you OSRS feels and likes the immense powers of RS3's Player Owned Content.

21-Feb-2023 16:48:34

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I didn't....?

Disagreeing that Mahogany Homes and Construction Contracts were designed primary to display Construction being in the overworld is NOT saying that those pieces of content aren't in the overworld.

The reasons MHs and CCs are good updates to each game are the two I listed. Less expensive Construction, Less carpal-tunnel-inducing Construction.

Fort Forinthry on the other hand, is a good update because of the fact that it reprises some of the greatest things about the Player Owned Houses (community prayer, or community skilling in general), and combines it with some of the greatest things RS3 offers (quality of life), and provides genuine PURPOSE for training a skill that had its reward space powercrept by updates like Het's Oasis and War's Retreat, or forgotten entirely (like anything associated with PvP content in RS3.)

I -can- accept that the playerbase is divided when it comes to what Construction updates in the POH as time has passed. There have been rumblings about "spaghetti code" and former JMods that were more familiar with the POH project no longer being around for so long that players may have decided to jump the ship on the POH because nothing has gotten done about it in quite some time.

You asked me in the opening post "Do you love your POH?"

Yes. Unquestionably. And for the amount of effort and sacrifice it took to get the house the way I have it, having -some- restored purpose would be an update I would be significantly grateful for.

It doesn't -have- to come at the expense of players being around one another for other content or run opposite of Jagex's aims for RS - but it's priceless to me.
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22-Feb-2023 00:19:10

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"Disagreeing that Mahogany Homes and Construction Contracts were designed primary to display Construction being in the overworld is NOT saying that those pieces of content aren't in the overworld."


I never said anything like that. Mahagony Homes and Constrcution Contracts were designed to let players experience the real life simulation of construction in the open world, similar to Fort Forthinry. They weren't designed to display whatever or market whatever.

No RS3 Jmods has been "rumbling" about "spaghetti code" in POH. Perhaps Mod Ash said that but he didn't speak and developer for RS3. The fact is RS3 has developed good sized content like Aquarium in POH.

Again, you can make suggestions as an individual player on what you like, but that's not what the playerbase want. In the very least we know OSRS players voted for construction content outside POH like new lecterns outside POH and Mahagony Homes and at least 75% of the playerbase wanted it.

22-Feb-2023 00:31:01

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(cont. - but not necessarily on topic)

When it comes to Old School RuneScape's community, there's a running joke over there that RS3 is the Quality Assurance phase of a good deal of OSRS's content.

What's really going on though, is that both games exchange content that strikes a particularly positive chord with their consumers. It feels disproportionate because RS3 is the RuneScape that's been around for over two decades and has more content built up over time to borrow good ideas from.

That doesn't mean good Old School Content doesn't find its way to RuneScape 3. Player who have themselves a Igneous-Kal-Zuk got their cape from TzKal-Zuk, who is not only the unique OSRS Inferno boss, but is named "TzKal-Zuk" in RuneScape 3, despite the rest of Ful's forces having their names begin with the prefix "TzekHaar".

Before that, Croesus entered the game as RS3's much tougher skilling boss inspired in part by Old School's general favored pieces of unique content in Wintertodt and Tempoross.

I've said before that Old School's schism had a negative affect on RS because it was literally the migration of a large chunk of the playerbase away from the game - but the games and employees behind them try to lift one another up.

I'm kind of sick of trying to prop up this notion that players can't enjoy both RS3 -and- OSRS, and that we need to have this fake "sibling rivalry". Sometimes, one game will put out great content and it finds itself in the other game eventually.

That just happens.
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22-Feb-2023 00:33:21

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@Dilbert

(Quick reply, sorry if I botched the formatting. It's good to see ya. :D )

I'm gonna again iterate, that before "emulating" the joys of being a carpenter, the "purpose" of Mahogany Homes and Construction Contracts was to make Construction cheaper and less click-intensive.

I'm also going to remind you that Old School's situation regarding POH Construction is a bit different than RS3's. They are particularly well fed when it comes to having content that their POH services them with.

> The POH serves as the most efficient place to reset before a boss/Pking trip or slayer task thanks to a combination of an altar -and- rejuvenation pool that can be placed right by the house portal.

> The POH serves as the closest thing to the Lodestone Network in OSRS, making it a necessity for fast-travel. This is made even more powerful when the same layover to the POH is required to access any boss in the game (instead of going to say, the Max Guild or War's Retreat), or using a Jewelry Box for any jewelry related teleport (instead of using the Passage of the Abyss.)

On top of that, Hosts can make money by building a tip jar next to their portal to throw house parties and offer Mains the -safest- way to train prayer efficiently via the Gilded Altar, which only competes with the Wildy Altar and more click-intensive Ectofunctus in that game.

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While the above "perks" don't exactly add -anything- to the RS3 game experience, RuneScape 3 has nothing to replace those perks -except- for the Aquarium. Where Old School homeowners are particularly well-fed, RS3 homeowners have either spent a ton of money for a horribly inefficient reason either because the game was different in the past or because they just really like a big old dollhouse.

If the value of each POH was equivalent, this wouldn't even be much of a discussion. I would just say "I like my house -and- Fort Forinthry." and move on with my day.

I'm not going to settle.
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22-Feb-2023 00:37:06 - Last edited on 22-Feb-2023 00:49:37 by H 1 L D A

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