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Dilbert2001
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They could still add or update rooms in RS3. They never said they couldn't and they never said they wouldn't. They said they don't want to do smaller scope QoL updates that don't serve bigger purpose in the big picture. Hence we have the new Fort instead of adding new things like spiderweb in the POH.

RS3 never complained about how hard it was to change POH. Mod Ash might have complained about spaghetti codes and weird bugs, but RS3 Jmods never said so. The addition of Aquarium obviously proved it. Again, they don't want to add new rooms in POH because they can and want to add them to bigger and better player owned content.

Why should we add farming content to a single player instanced tiny POH when we can add much larger content to the open world for the much, much bigger community?

17-Feb-2023 16:54:08

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Why Farming specifically?

> Greenhouses, planting trees, and home gardening are activities people genuinely do in the real world within the confines of their living spaces. You can have an outdoor pantry and grow plants that specifically are to be eaten by the homeowner. Not all farms are commercial-sized and intended for community use or greater.

> I was using Farming as an example that didn’t result in Jagex segregating it’s playerbase, because a farm run requires players to travel around the map anyway.

Why should Jagex do anything with the POH as opposed to simply place content in the over world?

> It’s a place many players have invested significant time and in game resources to build up. Some players have not had a genuine way to use their POH for years beyond weeklyscape, and there’s so much potential reward space there that could be utilized.
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17-Feb-2023 23:14:23

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And none of those things are content you can engage with to enhance the rest of the gameplay experience. Those plants, including the Wintumber tree, are -decorations-

The “Garden” in the POH serves no purpose whatsoever except to portal players out or to the dungeon.

You can have multiple types of outdoor rooms.

I mention greenhouses -first-, and broaden the scope to beyond farming and talk about why some players want -anything- to make building a house worth doing, and you decide to read -one- word of the post just to say “we already have a room with plants in it”, as if people are just going to be super excited to know that.
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18-Feb-2023 03:27:43 - Last edited on 18-Feb-2023 03:28:33 by H 1 L D A

Dilbert2001
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H 1 L D A said :
And none of those things are content you can engage with to enhance the rest of the gameplay experience. Those plants, including the Wintumber tree, are -decorations-

The “Garden” in the POH serves no purpose whatsoever except to portal players out or to the dungeon.

You can have multiple types of outdoor rooms.

I mention greenhouses -first-, and broaden the scope to beyond farming and talk about why some players want -anything- to make building a house worth doing, and you decide to read -one- word of the post just to say “we already have a room with plants in it”, as if people are just going to be super excited to know that.

Thank you and that's the point. We don't want to be stuck in a tiny POH when we can interact with the huge RS3 open world for a lot of game play.

Jagex is trying get the players to interact with each other outside our POH. POH is only for cosmetics purpose, not many meaningful gameplay content should we do in the POH when we can do them far more logical and beneficial with other players in the open world or in our other RS3 Player Owned Content.

18-Feb-2023 21:12:09

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Why are you assuming I want to shepherd players into their homes away from other players?

Just because an object in the POH serves a purpose and isn't merely decorative doesn't mean I have to spend hours at a time in my own instance to interact with it.

That, is why I mentioned farm runs. A singular herb patch is only going to take seconds to harvest and re-plant before the player leaves the patch for another location. In terms of the overall usefulness though, the player will add that farming patch to their list of locations and it would result in more profit per herb run over time.

This is an example of a player getting substantial use out of a feature in the POH, while -not- being sequestered away from the rest of the player base.

To -attempt- to broaden your perspective, let's say Jagex releases TWO herb patches in a future Fort Forinthry update. A patch that requires a lower construction level that is located in the overworld at Fort Forinthry, and a higher level construction level required hotspot that is located in the POH in a new type of outdoor room. Jagex could entice players to use the Fort farming patch so that they could run into other players by making that construction level lower, but higher level players could also make use of a personal herb patch at their POH.

A sensible player would make use of BOTH patches because it maximizes yield as well as points at the Garden of Kharid shop.

If you think having one herb patch in your POH puts you in time-out inside of your POH for too long, I don't think you know how to do a farm run, friend!
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19-Feb-2023 04:16:34

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(Cont.)

Or - here's an idea.

You know how you need to build an Aquarium to earn that free elite clue scroll each month from your original post?

Let's say a future update allows us to grant Overseer Siv the right to oversee goings on at our Player Owned House in addition to the other things she's got connections with on our behalf.

For example.

We can -remotely- claim the clue scroll from Fort Forinthry through the command center, so long as you have built the necessary Aquarium at the Player Owned House to have been able to receive it in the first place!

Players who can start the relevant Pirate Quests that feature the POH (I believe you have to fight a Barrellchest at your POH to start Pieces of Hate or something like that, but it could be an earlier quest.) could have a free teleport there from Siv, who could tell you that Postie Pete is waiting for us to return.

Siv could tell you when your Greenhouse (should Jagex implement such a room) plants are fully grown and allow you to remotely harvest them from the command centre.

Siv could also be the point of contact for things like a doubled amount of "rested xp" should that effect by applied to the POH.

All of that would mean that you could have a functioning POH that has useful, very relevant reward space, without having to actually -visit- the place in the manner of weekly or dailyscape activity, if Jagex feels that is too invasive a maneuver and would cause players to spend too long in personal instances.

The above situation is -so- much better than just making the POH legacy content, and would be respectful of players that built their house in an era where Construction was largely dependent on the POH to be trained.

If the Aquarium is useful, and can be replicated in other rooms, -A N D- Jagex can run operations through the Fort's command centre, then the POH has the same kind of hands off functionality as Miscellania, but could be just as useful.
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19-Feb-2023 05:05:00 - Last edited on 19-Feb-2023 05:06:08 by H 1 L D A

Dilbert2001
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H 1 L D A said :
Why are you assuming I want to shepherd players into their homes away from other players?



I didn't. You are just keep ignoring or neglecting Jagex's objectives.

POH is not construction. it is not even a minigame. It is not a farm. It is not a chapel. We aren't supposed to do meaningful content, especially social content in a private instance.

That's why starting around 2011, they created all kinds of players owned content as well as moving content that belonged to the open world to the open world.

Why do we need a farm in our POH when we already have 2 player owned farms as well as the original and extended farming content outside the POH already.

If they want to give us more farming patches and such, they will give us more like they did in Garden of Kharid. I don't think you know how to do a farm run, friend!

19-Feb-2023 19:06:07

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This is the constant conflict between the RS3 team and its playerbase. Sometimes, the players don’t necessarily want to parrot Jagex in terms of the games direction. Sometimes, players disagree with a direction the game is going with.

As for Construction, that’s not necessarily me. I think Fort Forinthry is a -wonderful- update. I think that’s a great direction to go.

I don’t think leaving areas of the game that players spend loads of their in game cash or resources on untouched for years at a time is respectful game design. I also believe there is so much potential to make the POH a fantastic goal to build up and fill out even in RS3 that shouldn’t be wasted.

Many people in the RS3 space have seen Jagex’s aim. Myself included.

That doesn’t mean -every- update has to completely render previous ones useless.
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19-Feb-2023 20:45:35

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Also, if the POH wasn’t supposed to have players interact with one another how do you explain House Parties in the 2000s? Bone running to players homes in the 2010s?

If the POH isn’t supposed to be meaningful content, why does it house the best Xp/H at the moment for the skill it’s most associated with? Why is it so expensive to build out?

“Meaning” from player to player is quite subjective, no?
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