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Tetsuya152
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I know the conversation de-railed quite a bit since the OP brought up their suggestions, but what you quoted from me was a response to OP's suggestion for TH holiday items. I didn't say that right now there are TH only rewards for this event. I just said i don't like the idea of TH exclusive cosmetics becoming more common/being implemented more. Which has happened before mind you, there are TH exclusive cosmetics such as "Santa claws token" that i mentioned in my previous post, from the 2019 christmas TH, which cannot be purchased by Ironmen on the GE.

20-Oct-2023 19:47:00 - Last edited on 20-Oct-2023 19:47:15 by Tetsuya152

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@ Roddy.

> I don't have a problem with limited experience gained per day if need be. It's my understanding that the Beach Event has something like this. They could adapt it so that Ice Creams aren't as common if they need to, explaining that the event will run longer.

> I would contend that Bonds are most agreeable form of MTX on on a personal level, because it provides people who would buy their gold regardless of its standing within the community with a safe manner to do so through Jagex, and it provides players with the opportunity to purchase bonds with RSGP, potentially making things like Membership, RuneCoins, and other items more accessible to certain types of players.
"MTX Bad"
isn't so much the argument as much as the argument is
"RS3 doesn't need certain types of MTX to be successful."
As to how bonds relate to MTX-holiday-items, I would agree with this point.

> I think part of what makes these "player gathering" events successful is the unique ways they influence gameplay when the events come around. I'll reference the Dungeoneering Hole again, because it has a cult following among players for being "AFK Dungeoneering xp" - which is quite influential because Daemonheim or running Elite Dungeons comes nowhere close to such low action methods. When it comes to encouraging participation, it really comes down to picking the right skills to utilize, (High APM or High GP-cost skills in particular) and providing the inverse experience will draw in all kinds of players.

> I think Jagex realizes players fall into the trap routinely that placing certain exclusives on Treasure Hunter tends to boost key sales (which is unwise to purchase for tradeable items over bonds) and thus they place these items on Treasure Hunter to draw exactly the type of people you point out. Whales could just as easily go after items from the Marketplace.
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20-Oct-2023 22:38:20 - Last edited on 20-Oct-2023 22:39:30 by H 1 L D A

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@Tetsuya

I've always thought it was really dumb that Jagex would lock irons out of just getting the tokens or what-have-you from normal gameplay just because they would also award things that aren't kosher to Irons (such as BXP or whatever).

Ideally, things that don't alter the Iron experience should be given out through gameplay where it is applicable. Irons shouldn't have to back-door the system by interacting with the Grand Exchange when they otherwise would only do so for Bonds.

Hopefully the Hero Pass fiasco and how disastrous this event's launch was for Irons opens some eyeballs in Cambridge on that front.
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20-Oct-2023 22:46:46

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@Dilbert...

> Third Age gear, unlike the Orange H'ween Mask, doesn't come with a low drop rate -and- a limited time availability on top of it. So long as the player can acquire Clue Scrolls, there's always a chance they pull a piece of 3A.

> I never said the drop rate for 3A wasn't low - but that doesn't change the fact that if that's an item an OSRS player wants to chase for however long it takes, they can do so whenever they wish, as I had said. At the very least, Jagex isn't over there also saying "The drop rate is low -and- you can only get 3A equipment during the month of October! Happy Halloween!

> Now you're speaking on behalf of Tetsuya (which, speaking on the behalf of others is another really bad habit of yours) - and I don't think you understand what either of this A-B conversation's (regarding Treasure Hunter) side was coming from, so you should C your way out of this one.

> I'm speaking specifically about the types of events where players hang out in some hub area and gain experience and items through skilling, a la the beach event. Cutting in about April Fool's was hardly relevant in this particular circumstance. You're not even cherry-picking complete sentences at this point.

> I'm not talking about previous' years' cosmetics, but new cosmetics in the same vein as the previous years'. And if Jagex was -smart- or actually listened to their players, having 'classic' style events for holidays with non-tradeable cosmetics and animations as rewards -would- be the ideal move for them to make. See, the amount of positive feedback I got for suggesting it on the first page of this thread. Or like, any Reddit post in the last week.

> I literally quoted the sentence about Old School RuneScape specifically word-for-word. I assumed that was what you were talking about because you said "for the last decade." whereas RS in general has been around for over two. From there, you went some dumb tangent about Leagues. Your obsession. Not mine.
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20-Oct-2023 23:03:36

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"So long as the player can acquire Clue Scrolls, there's always a chance they pull a piece of 3A."


So long as the player can acquire pumpkins, there's always a chance they pull a rare. What's the problem? We actually have far more chances to get pumpkins than clue scrolls.

"I never said the drop rate for 3A wasn't low - but that doesn't change the fact that if that's an item an OSRS player wants to chase for however long it takes, they can do so whenever they wish"


That doesn't change the fact that if that's an item a RA3 player wants to chase for however long it takes, they can do so what's the problem? Let me also correct you that not all players can get at least hard clue scrolls in OSRS, let alone complete them, but there are no stats and character progression reqquirements, quests etc to obtain Halloween items in RS3.

"Now you're speaking on behalf of Tetsuya (which, speaking on the behalf of others is another really bad habit of yours) "


I never spoke on behalf of anybody when I quoted them. I also quoted the OSRS Wiki about the concerns of the FOMO Leagues. I definitely didn't speak on behalf of them. I just quoted them to show you are absolutely wrong when you think all OSRS have no problem with the FOMO Leagues.

We have all kinds of events in RS3 for every players. Just that you think an event like April Fools isn't relevant doesn't mean it is irrelevant to everybody. Otherwise there will not be so many players doing them. Likewise, RS3 players don't have Leagues, DMM and such, but I won't say it is fair for RS3 players to say DMM, Leagues etc are irrelevant.

"And if Jagex was -smart- or actually listened to their players,"


They listened to players and increase the H'oddment rate. So many players doing the RS3 event shows Jagex is smart.

RSC/RS2/RS3/OSRS means all Ruenscape variants, not just OSRS. It is absolutely clear for everybody.

21-Oct-2023 01:59:18

Kat Stryke

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Dilbert2001 said :

RSC/RS2/RS3/OSRS means all Ruenscape variants, not just OSRS. It is absolutely clear for everybody.
Two of these four no longer exist.

In terms of current games, RSC and RS2 are irrelevant beyond the scope of nostalgia.

Also, let me correct you:

You do not speak for everybody. You can speak for yourself, but that is all. I've been putting out fire with gasoline! ^_^

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21-Oct-2023 04:02:20

Dilbert2001
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Kat Stryke said :
Dilbert2001 said :

RSC/RS2/RS3/OSRS means all Ruenscape variants, not just OSRS. It is absolutely clear for everybody.
Two of these four no longer exist.

In terms of current games, RSC and RS2 are irrelevant beyond the scope of nostalgia.

Also, let me correct you:

You do not speak for everybody. You can speak for yourself, but that is all.

Two of these four still exist in RS3. RS3 is the past, present and future of Runescape.

I never wrote I spoke for anybody. Neither do you speak for anybody else but yourself. What discussion value does this have anyway?

21-Oct-2023 18:08:48

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"So long as the player can smash pumpkins" is about a 12th of the year relative to all year long. Having -holiday- items, which are supposed to spread good cheer among the community

> have an undisclosed low drop rate
> be available for a very limited time
> have noticeably better (but still bad) chances of being obtained by paying Jagex money

is -NOT- spreading good cheer among the community. There's your problem.

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If a player doesn't have the ability to kill hellhounds or what have you to obtain clues, all the player has to do is play the game a little bit -or- find some other way to obtain them.

If a player can't play the game this Halloween because they are on a trip or what have you, there is no way for the player to obtain the ensouled mask, orange h'ween, or beret at all, and that's regardless of what their account looks like. There's your problem.

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Nobody from OSRS is complaining about not being able to obtain old League trophies except for you - this is an area where you are speaking on behalf of Old Schoolers, and it's also an area where you think you can invoke a situation from Old School, mislead players about said situation, and then try to falsely equivocate it to a mistake the RS3 team makes. You do this every time there is community backlash against Jagex, without fail.

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H'odds are not the only glaring issue with this update. Free players can only access pumpkins through skilling as they are unable to attend Pumpkin Parties. The drop rates for pumpkins are unknown. The low drop rate combined with the limited availability provides a massive fear of missing out among the player base, many of whom feel pressured to turn to MTX in order to obtain all of the items, just after the company pretended to care about introducing FOMO into the game or consulting with players about MTX practices...

At best, Jagex is employing the tactic of selective hearing. At worst, I was right the first time. They aren't listening.
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22-Oct-2023 03:10:16

Dilbert2001
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@H 1 L D A
Again, how low is the chance for an average player to get a 3rd Age item from a clue scroll in their lifespan of OSRS? Perhaps lower than the chance of winning a state Lottery first prize drawing. Getting even the rarest Halloween event prize from this Halloween event is likely much higher than getting a 3rd Age gear in OSRS even if the player plays 100 years.

"If a player can't play the game this Halloween because they are on a trip or what have you, there is no way for the player to obtain the ensouled mask, orange h'ween, or beret at all, and that's regardless of what their account looks like."


Absolutely wrong. They are all tradeable, and we can get them next year and beyond too. They are also much cheaper than the OSRS 3rd Age rares. We can buy a classic looking Orange Halloween Mask in the 100 mil gp range.

"If a player doesn't have the ability to kill hellhounds or what have you to obtain clues, all the player has to do is play the game a little bit -or- find some other way to obtain them."


If they only play eventscape like DMM, Leagues they will never get a clue scroll in OSRS which can get them a 3rd Age gear.

"Nobody from OSRS is complaining about not being able to obtain old League trophies except for you"


"Concerns over reward availability
While Old School RuneScape does not aim to have discontinued items, the trophies may be seen as such, since they are a different set of items each league and cannot be obtained once the event is over. A similar problem would occur if leagues cease to run each year, which would prevent new points from coming in to purchase items from the rewards shop.

However, it has been expressed that any main game rewards would be accessible by other means in the event that no more leagues are held."

22-Oct-2023 18:53:06

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