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There is nothing wrong with balancing the rewards high.


Agreed - especially so for a wild-goose-chase, scavenger hunt type event like this one where you aren't gaining experience for it.

If you were getting Necromancy materials that scaled to your level for example, maybe players would feel like their time was being respected for participating in the event every single hour.
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This is definitely not a scavenger hunt type of events. All we have to do is to smash one pumpkin.

Holiday events rewards don't scale with our levels for all of RSC/RS2/RS3/OSRS since 2001, Don't tell us level 126 players got more Halloween Masks in RSC than level 3's.

This is also not a Necromancy event. It is a general purpose event, why should we get Necromancy materials specifically. The buff candies are here to buff our skilling rewards for this reason. It is up to us to consume whichever candies for whatever skills we want to train, then the rewards are based on our skill levels.

18-Oct-2023 22:15:21

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Jagex would want to utilize long festival events as a way to introduce a battle-pass.


I don't believe players need actual incentive beyond being able to gain experience in a unique way for months at a time to interact with an ongoing festival in an elongated period of time.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I don't think that Jagex has always used holiday-esque events to be a driver of MTX and there's no reason players shouldn't ask for them to limit such MTX to exclusive items.

An example of successful festival-gameplay is the Dungeoneering Hole, which gets several players to afk train Dungeoneering during the duration of Beach Events. All that's rewarded from that is pre-existing reward tokens (which are fair game) and the ever-sought-after experience.

Jagex wanting a battle-pass system in RuneScape in general is plainly obvious. It still hasn't been met with sufficient player satisfaction, and it wouldn't be during months-long festivals either.

Pumpkin Parties only require you to smash a single pumpkin.


....but that's now how players are engaging with these events is it? Everyone is running around trying to smash as many pumpkins as possible because there's a reward from reaching a certain threshold, and there's a chance to spike a rarer reward from any smashed pumpkin.

Chasing as many as you can is a wild-goose-chase, like I said.

People can use the buff candies to aid in their skilling, why should the necromancy materials specifically get buffed based on level?


> The necromancy related items (bones, ashes, inks, congealed blood) are the most common loot from a pumpkin.

> The necromancy related items are the only items you can sell for profit, outside of the rare rewards.

> The necromancy related items could be used to actually train Necromancy.

For higher levels, getting rewarded with useful items would make the event more worthwhile for them.
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"....but that's now how players are engaging with these events is it? Everyone is running around trying to smash as many pumpkins as possible because there's a reward from reaching a certain threshold, and there's a chance to spike a rarer reward from any smashed pumpkin."


No. This is definitely what most players do. Most players, myself included, will smash as many pumpkins as they can because of the rewards, as well as the big H'Oddments gain starting today.

What I am saying is this is a pace-it-yourself activity, not a scavenger hunt type which everybody has a set goal.

19-Oct-2023 00:18:13

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Roddy Piper said :
If the events were extended for months, that would leave a lot of room for early access of rewards through MTX. That's part of the point I was making. They would want to make it a Battle Pass in some way.

This is clearly a Halloweene event.. It is anticlimatic to have such a seasonal event running over months.

RS3 already us if they make a similar "battle pass" reward system, there won't be buying skips and content anyway. All the buff candies are easy to get and can't buy with MTX. Literally we only have cosmetics in this Halloween events. They can sell cosmetics in SGS or bundle them up with Twitch or other partners, no need for a "battle pass".

19-Oct-2023 00:22:32

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The H'oddments change...

Ah, because Irons got absolutely nothing from this update prior, and the rewards weren't fine tuned enough the first time that Jagex had to make accessing the H'oddment store far easier for everyone involved after the fact?

I miss the days where Jagex would just release a good update that didn't need to be patched over to start with.

Even with the H'oddment change, you still need to be lucky enough to get the beret, orange h'ween mask, or the ensouled mask from RNG - which means that players are ultimately chasing those items for as long as luck would have them do so.

Do that at your own pace, and you run the risk of missing out on those rewards.

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How is it anti-climactic?

You could literally end the event the Monday after Halloween, and maybe boost rates or whatever the final week so that players are incentivized to participate closer to the holiday. That's the exact opposite of anti-climactic.

It doesn't have to be a Halloween-themed event either. This could be another Novtumber festival or what have you that simply celebrates the fall, and the "spooky szn" stuff could be a part of it.
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19-Oct-2023 01:43:45

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Did you know Halloween rewards used to be RNG based in RSC? Some people got a dozen Halloween Masks, some got none. So?

Halloween running through January? No, thanks. RS3 needs to make sense. They don't just make cookie cutter events and just recycling them every few months.

Notumber event will be Notumber event with its own gameplay and rewards, definitely not Halloween Masks. RS3 have plenty of new ideas for events every year. Earlier this year, they have pirate themed events.

19-Oct-2023 03:49:18

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From what I remember, the original Halloween events were item drops on the ground - so yes, you would probably be correct in that some of the earliest items (pumpkins, the original h'ween masks) were obtained by those who were lucky enough to spot them on the ground and some folks even picked up several at a time.

It's not super surprising that RuneScape's third year to have a Halloween event, shortly before the release of RS2, you could only pick up one Scythe at a time. Regardless of whether or not RS has a precedent for FOMO, exclusive items - even within those in the community that participate in the event.

It's not exactly the popular choice to make something only obtainable by chance.

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You must have an incredible lack of faith in Jagex if you believe that they would make a Halloween event last until January.

It's okay - most of the community feels that way.
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19-Oct-2023 05:22:50

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Can you please show us the factual stats which tells us RNG based Halloween Masks events since RSC are not popular?

Almost every piece of content in all of RSC/RS2/RS3/OSRS has some RNG elements there. Where is the stats that show us everything with RNG in Jagex's games, and in fact, all the games in the entire industry, are not "popular"?

There are no items exclusive to this Halloween event. Please read from Page 1, Post 9 to Page, Post 2 of this thread where other people have confirmed we did get H'Oddments and the H'Oddments Store continuoing from the past 2 years.

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It is not like must participate in this year's Halloween event to get an exclusive trophy or win a lifetime membership from a Raffle (RNG based of course), which we can't get after the event. Yes, Jagex has FOMO events in their games, but not this Halloween Event in RS3 definitely.

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