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The factual "stat" is that after the first two events, players could only pick up one scythe off the ground.

Events would since be an everyone gets one untradeable award from then until whenever Jagex started introducing holiday items to Treasure Hunter or started re-introducing RNG elements to holiday events (such as the black Santa)

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You're not wrong - but only because players that are unfortunately unable to pull certain items out of a party pumpkin (like the Beret or the Ensouled pumpkin mask) are going to be forced to pay a premium of GP for the rewards.

In most cases- it's not so much fun to throw GP at an item Jagex used to give out for free in the events of yesteryear.

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Furthermore, events from yesteryear were genuinely celebratory in nature, and all players were invited. Free players can't even participate in Pumpkin Parties, which makes -their- entire holiday event just gaining experience as per usual and hoping that a Smashing Pumpkin spawns. And just for the sense of completionism, they're going to need Smashing Pumpkins 250 times over just to get the fresh pumpkin mask.

Yikes.
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20-Oct-2023 00:08:34

Dilbert2001
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We have numerous events in RSC/RS2/RS3/OSRS where players can get one than 1 of the same items. If there is only event in 1 year we can only get 1 of the same item then you think it is "popular stats" then what about all the other events all over these years?

What untradeable holiday items and what TH? Aren't we all getting tradeable Holiday Event Items from OSRS for a decade? What's the problem with tradeable Holiday items? Again, please don't keep misinforming the RS3 players repeatedly, all the items we can get from the Grim Harvest event on TH are obtainable from just playing the Halloween Events.

Nobody is forced to buy a Beret or whatever because they aren't discontinued or exclusive just to this Halloween Events. They can get them from next year's Halloween Event and so on if they miss this event.

20-Oct-2023 00:29:14

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Ah, yes, too bad if you didn't get that thing you wanted this year. Happy Halloween, better luck next year!

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In Old School, you are GUARANTEED to get the item for completing the event. The event is usually very short. AND those items don't become "rares" because you get a GUARANTEED item again when you complete the next event.

Having "rares" is bad because it makes players focus too much on the "get rich quick" aspect of the event and directs attention away from the spirit of the actual holiday.

I'll borrow the phrase from Protoxx (who just so happens to have made a video slamming the event, as most players have, recently)

If players REALLY want to pick up these rares, they shouldn't be buying keys or whatever to get the item. They -should- be buying bonds, selling the bonds to acquire the GP, and then using the GP to purchase the item they are after.

Instead, you get people who start rampantly buying keys and trying to scramble in order to get these items through Treasure Hunter or collect currencies like wrapping paper through keys and then some people STILL don't get the item.

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I'll just leave this here for you.

If the event has an item you absolutely cannot get in its debut event - It's probably not a good event.
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20-Oct-2023 00:52:06

Dilbert2001
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"In Old School, you are GUARANTEED to get the item for completing the event."


What? I never know we are guaranteed to win any cash prize from DMM or any higher tier trophy from Leagues in OSRS.

What about Boss Bash Raffle? I killed over 9,000 bosses and won nothing. So?

Too bad, we don't even get them next year, or perhaps never in OSRS's lifespan.

We can buy the rares in the GE too.. That's why being tradeable are so good and popular. Isn't it the same things with holiday items in OSRS?

"If the event has an item you absolutely cannot get in its debut event - It's probably not a good event."


Uh Oh! Only 10% of the players who nolifed Leagues to get the top tier trophies. Now absolutely nobody can get them after its debut event - It's probably not a good event. :(

20-Oct-2023 01:06:37 - Last edited on 20-Oct-2023 01:16:15 by Dilbert2001

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Don't equate Leagues or DMM to a holiday event. Holiday events are the perfect place for participation trophies. The former are celebrations of the most skilled players in the game. OS players don't expect to be handed membership for life, cold hard cash, or better tier Leagues trophies just for showing up.

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They're not rares at all in Old School - which means people don't try to focus all of their attention on trying to obtain them during the time period, there's no fear of missing out, and even if you do want to spend money on the G.E. the prices for such items (which add no benefit to gameplay whatsoever and are much more available because they are guaranteed rewards every single year) are low.

And it's funny - because I would have thought the same too....I would have thought the items being rare would translate well to the RS community over there.

It turns out, that Old School has a policy where rares were never supposed to be rares in the first place, and they don't indulge in that kind of silly behavior, opting instead for holiday items to be items that are for yearly celebratory purpose only.

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For the record, that silly behavior, causes players to make poor decisions regarding treasure hunter or play Rs3 for extremely unhealthy amounts of time per day - with the possibility that the player doesn't get the item they are looking for anyway.

It's not hard to understand why that's actually really stupid.

This isn't a boss drop table - it's a HOLIDAY event. Having something that is celebrated by everyone be defined by items only going to select few? Seriously?
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20-Oct-2023 01:18:55 - Last edited on 20-Oct-2023 01:21:18 by H 1 L D A

Dilbert2001
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Events are events. There are always players not available to play on the time of the events or they don't want to spend as much time to get all the rewards. Players are not supposed to get all the rewards of every event, regardless they are holiday events or not.

What? Players are not feared to miss out OSRS cosmetics then why should they have a problem with RS3 cosmetics. Cosmetics don't help the gameplay. Nobody is focused on RS3 cosmetics either.

"It turns out, that Old School has a policy where rares were never supposed to be rares in the first place"


Good joke! Then why do they put 3rd Age rares as very rare rewards in clue scrolls? OSRS does deliberately want to put rares in their games. No difference as RS3.

For the over 9,000 times, please don't deliberately misinform the RS3 players. There is absolutely no rewards on this TH promotion that can't be obtained by just playing the Halloween Event, unlike the limited time FOMO OSRS events like Leagues and DMM. Free players can also win them from TH too and some from playing the game, again unlike the OSRS FOMO events that only members can play.

It is also very easy to obtain the H'Oddments just to buy them. I have over 20k H'Oddments already mainly from 5 or 6 Smashing Pumpkin Parties per day of 5 minutes each, and spending my Oddments I got everyday playing to get 10 TH keys a day. It is just that simply, no need to spend 2 months grinding FOMO content to hope to be the lucky 10% to get exclusive items.

20-Oct-2023 01:34:55

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"Players are not supposed to get all the items, regardless of if the event is a holiday event or not."

It wasn't always like this - and that's why people didn't complain about the events as much as they do now.

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1. 3rd Age equipment was already in the 2007 backup of RuneScape, so from the very moment players were able to do hard clues - and with no interruption since - players have had the opportunity to pull 3A equipment from a clue casket. This wasn't a decision made by OSRS players, this was just already in the game at launch.

2. You can do hard clues 365 days a year. Yeah, the drop rate is pretty rare, but there's not a fear of missing out on 3A equipment. Regardless of whatever time of year it is, you can just do clues.

3. If they wanted to deliberately put rares in their game, they would have done it for holiday events - because of the precedent set by RS before the game's launch.

For the 9000th time, you're the one being misleading. Nobody is looking at Leagues or DMM and calling them "events" - they are called "competitions" and only the best players get the top-shelf rewards.

Holiday events are supposed to be for everyone.
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20-Oct-2023 01:47:29 - Last edited on 20-Oct-2023 01:48:41 by H 1 L D A

Dilbert2001
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"Players are not supposed to get all the items, regardless of if the event is a holiday event or not."

It wasn't always like this - and that's why people didn't complain about the events as much as they do now."


Players of which game? OSRS? Didn't OSRS tell their players not everybody is supposed to get all items from DMM, Leagues, Boss Bash Raffle and other events?

" 3rd Age equipment was already in the 2007 backup of RuneScape..."


Party hat are in the 2007 backup of RuneScape too. Why can OSRS make party hats not rare and 3rd Age equipment rare? Don't tell us they can't make 3rd Age equipment common drop. Nobody will believe it.

When I mentioned 3rd Age gear, I talked about RARES cosmetics. Regardless you can get it 365 days a year, buy it from GE or get them from a event, RARES are just RARES which you wrote it was not what OSRS wanted to do, but we know it is simply not true.

Why rares must be put in the game through holiday events? They can do it any time in any event, like Leagues. Don't tell us Twisted Dragon Trophies aren't rare when only 1% of the OSRS players got it.

20-Oct-2023 01:55:46

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Ah, because Party Hats had to be introduced into the game through Old School RuneScape's first ever Christmas event - which was NOT included in the original 2007 backup. Even if the item existed within the backup, nobody in the game had the item....
at all.
When they introduced party hats to the playerbase, they decided not to make them rares. As a result, they are dirt cheap and are obtainable for free by doing the current years associated holiday event - and you get those items every time you complete a holiday event, even if you've done one previously..

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Competition rewards. are not. rares. And the trophy you keep crying about isn't even a tradable item!

If you don't do well enough in the competition to get the item - you don't get the item. That doesn't need to be explained to most people. That's like complaining that you never got a Lombardi trophy even though you were never an American football player and certainly never played in and won a Super Bowl.

The frequency of a Dragon Twisted League trophy isn't so low because they only gave out so few of them. It's low because only a select few EARNED it.
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20-Oct-2023 02:11:43

Dilbert2001
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What? Again, why didn't OSRS make 3rd Age gear common drop? They intentionally made them rare because they want the RARES to be in OSRS, not any difference than RS3.

Competitions are FOMO. Thank you for telling us most OSRS players are missing out on events they didn't have time to play, didn't want to play OSRS, or didn't win anything.

Competitions cosmetics are no different than a Halloween Mask. Why is it OK to miss out on a League Trophy which we will never get in the future and a big problem when we don't get a new Halloween Mask this year but can still get them next year?

Rares are rares, regardless they are tradeable or not.

20-Oct-2023 02:20:25

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