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4. Bonds being used for membership access codes that can be applied to other accounts.

This was introduced as a half-measure in response to the outrage over Fresh Start Worlds being predatory. While I still contend that FSW could be made even more accessible than it is now, this in it of itself isn't problematic, allowing for players to save up for bonds to apply when the event happens again later with RSGP.


5. Bonds being used for 15 TH keys.

The exchange rate for RSGP to Treasure Hunter keys is a scam. Period. The 15 keys - which I must remind you could get you absolutely nothing of value by random chance - would be worth roughly 4.67M gp a pop. Treasure Hunter's random-loot-box nature mimics a real life casino with actual currency, and the old Duel Arena when using RSGP. Do NOT ever do this.


6. Bonds being used for the Dwarven Instinct, Desert Pantheon, and Mahjarrat Auras.

These items already have methods to obtain them in-game. Purchasing them, even acknowledging that Premier Club introduced these items previously, is predatory because the alternative method should be the only way the auras should be obtained.


7. Bonds being redeemed to change a character's name.

There is already a way to do this for free - just make sure you get the name you want and spell it correctly so you don't have to wait the monthlong cool down. Paying for this is just not a must have feature.


8. Bonds being used for the portable trader.

Vic should be around every time DXP is around the corner. This feature is worthless too.


9. Bonds being used for RuneMetrics.

Data should be a feature that RuneScape gives players for free - and it is free over in Old School RuneScape. This is a scam.
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Bonds are shit.
I seem to remember mmg saying they were jacmobs idea.
Everything about bonds is shit.
Everything about MTX is shit
Everything about jacmob is shit.
Stealing/banning people's accounts for their names lol.
Selling bank space. There's no bottom of jagex barrel. They've clawed their way through to hell.

14-Sep-2023 10:04:25

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@H 1 L D A

"1. The positive is a strong, yet unfortunate one - that people who sell bonds for GP avoid gold farmers who are less than ideal to do business with."


Bonds can be directly used to get TH keys and Runecoins. The positive is a strong, yet unfortunate one - that people sell bonds for TH keys and Runecoins and avoid farmers who are less than ideal to do business with. TH keys and runecoins can't be converted to gp, unlike bonds. Hence, TH keys and Runecoins are less predatory than Bonds.

"2. Bonds being redeemed for membership.

The most positive use of this item in the game, allowing fo
r players to access all of the game's content without having to pay real world currency to do so, making RuneScape one of the most accessible games out there."


Very wrong! As I mentioned a lot of times, Bonds can't get us everything in Jagex's RS Games. There are exclusive content that we have to pay real money, items or services to obtain like Prime Gaming offers. Bonds can't get us Prime Gaming rewards. On the positive sign though, we can get other MTX currencies like TH keys and Runecoins, making all RS3 MTX currencies earnable from purely playing the game.

"3. Objectively, there are some Solomon's Store items that are undeniably pay-to-win in nature, such as bank boosters or the item that makes capping at your clans citadel faster a thing."


Bonds are undeniable pay to win themselves already as they can be used to get endgame items like FOA and tbows as well as buying maxed Herblore and such in hours. Why call Runecoins and TH keys black when Bonds are the blackest and most pay to win of them all?

14-Sep-2023 16:38:21

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"6. Bonds being used for the Dwarven Instinct, Desert Pantheon, and Mahjarrat Auras.

These items already have methods to obtain them in-game. Purchasing them, even acknowledging that Premier Club introduced these items previously, is predatory because the alternative method should be the only way the auras should be obtained."


More usages to unlock game content = predatory???? You get the things the other way around. Making previously pay to obtain items also accesible with Bonds is definitely a favor to real world consumer and an anti-predatory monetization move.

14-Sep-2023 16:43:38

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TH Keys can't be converted into GP!


Thats not particularly true, Dilbert. There are literally cash prizes that you can earn quite regularly regardless of the current promotion through Treasure Hunter. From a "game health" perspective, Jagex is absolutely facilitating inflation when someone uses one of their free keys to win 50m from a purple gem reward. There's also the fact that Jagex has leaned into making promotions award tradeable rares more often, which come with vastly inflated starting GP prices so that the reward starts super valuable and stays that way once the promotion ends. Finally, it's not even a particularly consumer friendly way to earn GP either, because only *some* keys generate GP. Double whammy, Treasure Hunter. It hurts the game's economy, and it doesn't even compensate the player consistently enough to feel like its worth investing into - but hey. Gambler's fallacy, amiright?

People can't purchase promotional partnership items through GP, Hilda!


Good. Those shouldn't even be in the game in the first place. RuneScape is the bigger fish. We don't need to be propped up by the likes of Amazon or SteelSeries. Old School RuneScape, on it's handful of partnership forays, retroactively made those items obtainable from the get-go (i.e. purple skin), or only offered things like early-access to things all players would obtain later. I see no reason why RS3 can't do this with previous partnership items.

Bonds are just as bad if not more so than TH Keys and Runecoins!


You're correct. Am I telling people to stop talking about bonds?

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Now, I do believe that Bonds serve far more good than Treasure Hunter does, but that doesn't mean I believe they should be given a pass from player scrutiny in the slightest. Other players are on the record of saying that Bonds are inadequate in some way or another on this thread (thank you for joining them, by the way) - and even I have listed several uses of bonds that I deem harmful and unnecessary.

You DARE call Bonds-for-Auras predatory???


Absolutely.

Did you know that you can earn the Dwarven Instinct aura THROUGH GAMEPLAY via the Artisan's Workshop? Did you know that you can do the same with the Desert Pantheon aura through Shifting Tombs? Or the Mahjarrat aura through Death's Reaper Point Shop?

The only thing a consumer pays for when using Bonds to obtain these auras is expediency - and I think saving time, personally, when investing in an MMO, is a bit of an oxymoron. RuneScape is a game where the journey is just as valuable as the destination. These auras now reside as perfect reward space for engaging in certain types of content, and as such, we should encourage players to go after these auras through gameplay, not through MTX.

To do the opposite would mean that consumers are paying for something they shouldn't have to....which is decidedly NOT consumer-friendly.
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Dilbert2001
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@H 1 L D A

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TH Keys can't be converted into GP!"


I didn't write this H 1 L D A. What I wrote was TH keys (and Runecoins too) can be bought with Bonds, and they are equally pay to win.

"or only offered things like early-access to things all players would obtain later


Err! With OSRS, we got not just early access but
exclusive Soul Wars Worlds in read
from Twitch Gaming.

"Did you know that you can earn the Dwarven Instinct aura THROUGH GAMEPLAY via the Artisan's Workshop? Did you know that you can do the same with the Desert Pantheon aura through Shifting Tombs? Or the Mahjarrat aura through Death's Reaper Point Shop?"


Did you know we can earn RS3 gp to buy RS3 Bonds THROUGH GAMEPLAY via the Artisan's Workshop? Did you know we can then use RS3 Bonds THROUGH such GAMEPLAY to buy Dwarcen Instinct aura? Did you know that we can do the same with the Desert Pantheon Aura through Shifting Tomb? Or the Mahjarrat aura?

15-Sep-2023 00:35:26

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