RuneScape Forum Archive | Plant Powers, not worth buying

Sep

2013

Fish Kitten

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Abby Taylor said :
...and herb prices are utterly tanking right now...

Some unsolicited advice: When the market goes bearish like it is, hang on to whatever you're growing. Better yet, do that and put lowball offers in on the herbs that are trending below six month price bottoms (e.g. fellstalk).

Seeds continue to be the big winner from this update. Herbs will take awhile to recover. The only place I find 'plant power' even remotely useful is at the two herb habitat plots and that's only because the seeds are in the shop and there's zero risk/all gain/it's cheap.

28-Nov-2022 17:36:18 - Last edited on 28-Nov-2022 17:37:12 by Fish Kitten

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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In addition to the 3x herbs per harvest and therefore more net profits, there is also benefits in seeing other related farming activities becoming more profitable.

For instance, since many players are busily and happily farming herbs and plenty use all their instant plant growth potions on herbs, they don't have beans for growth potions on other farming produce. As such, Morchella mushrooms are surging and I am happily making more money rapidly growing them now.

See? In a player driven economy, players will always find the best way to make the most out of their skills and efforts.

28-Nov-2022 18:27:48

Sep

2013

Fish Kitten

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Let's do some math.

On November 7th when 'plant powers' became a thing, the GE ask for clean Fellstalk was 10853gp which was somewhere on the low end between its six month average. From there forward, its price has been on a solid downward trajectory, weeks later today at three times less than the six month low. And that's just the offer (ask) price. In reality, the herb buys at around 25% less but for fun, we'll just stick with the GE chart.

So... "but I'm getting three times more herbs per harvest!!!".
Ok, but now you're getting over three times less per herb meaning, net profit is the same (it's actually way less considering the cost of seeds) because the market has been completely destroyed.

tl;dr - Plant powers not worth buying.

30-Nov-2022 17:17:47

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Fish Kitten said :
Let's do some math.

On November 7th when 'plant powers' became a thing, the GE ask for clean Fellstalk was 10853gp which was somewhere on the low end between its six month average. From there forward, its price has been on a solid downward trajectory, weeks later today at three times less than the six month low. And that's just the offer (ask) price. In reality, the herb buys at around 25% less but for fun, we'll just stick with the GE chart.

So... "but I'm getting three times more herbs per harvest!!!".
Ok, but now you're getting over three times less per herb meaning, net profit is the same (it's actually way less considering the cost of seeds) because the market has been completely destroyed.

tl;dr - Plant powers not worth buying.

First, why do you put up a graph for CLEAN Felstalk when we can plant and harvest GRIMY Felstalk which sells for 5010 each now? 3 x 5010 = 15030, which is clearly more than 11,868.

Why are not cherry picking Lantadyme all of a sudden? Even if you look at the prices of herbs at the release date of Garden of Kharid, you should still easily see the profit is now 3800x3 = 11,400, which is way more than 6,621 on the release date of Garden.

It is crystal clear when we look at ALL the herbs, we get far more profits NOW than on the date when Garden of Kharid was released for almost ALL of them.

Besides, don't forget the benefits of 10x the Crux Equa favors. It is like POF, we get more unlock the faster, we get more and more benefits and profits going forward.

30-Nov-2022 19:19:32

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Fish Kitten said :
Let's do some math.

On November 7th when 'plant powers' became a thing, the GE ask for clean Fellstalk was 10853gp which was somewhere on the low end between its six month average. From there forward, its price has been on a solid downward trajectory, weeks later today at three times less than the six month low. And that's just the offer (ask) price. In reality, the herb buys at around 25% less but for fun, we'll just stick with the GE chart.

So... "but I'm getting three times more herbs per harvest!!!".
Ok, but now you're getting over three times less per herb meaning, net profit is the same (it's actually way less considering the cost of seeds) because the market has been completely destroyed.

tl;dr - Plant powers not worth buying.

First, why do you put up a graph for CLEAN Felstalk when we can plant and harvest GRIMY Felstalk which sells for 5010 each now? 3 x 5010 = 15030, which is clearly more than 11,868.

Why are not cherry picking Lantadyme all of a sudden? Even if you look at the prices of herbs at the release date of Garden of Kharid, you should still easily see the profit is now 3800x3 = 11,400, which is way more than 6,621 on the release date of Garden.

It is crystal clear when we look at ALL the herbs, we get far more profits NOW than on the date when Garden of Kharid was released for almost ALL of them.

Besides, don't forget the benefits of 10x the Crux Equa favors. It is like POF, we get more unlock the faster, we get more and more benefits and profits going forward.

30-Nov-2022 19:19:33

Sep

2013

Fish Kitten

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Talk about picking nits but ok...
Grimy fellstalk GE ask on November 7th was 11.8k trending down, and 5k today (and it buys for less than that btw)... that's still a decline and the math speaks for itself. Feel free to use any herb you want from the list --grimy or clean-- to disprove this. Be sure to factor in the explosive cost of the seeds too. Knock yourself out.

Here's a few more: Spirit weed is similarly as tragic as fellstalk. Grimy lant since YOU brought it up is down 50%. Torstol, 50%. Dwarf, 50%. Don't call it cherry-picking when you have the same information right there to check the math yourself. Fellstalk is a good standard because it's a high end, non-specialized (like blooweed) herb.

The scant few on the uptick are in single-digit percentages. The math is the math. The update didn't do anything for herb farming, at least not in the immediate. The good news is herbs will rebound and it's a great time to buy them at fire sale prices. GE ask on everything isn't what they're selling for at the moment. It's well under 20% mid.

The math is the math. You don't like it but it doesn't change the fact.

30-Nov-2022 21:29:44 - Last edited on 30-Nov-2022 21:32:34 by Fish Kitten

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Fish Kitten said :
Talk about picking nits but ok...
Grimy fellstalk GE ask on November 7th was 11.8k trending down, and 5k today... that's still a decline and the math speaks for itself. Feel free to use any herb you want from the list --grimy or clean-- to disprove this. Knock yourself out.

Here's a few more: Spirit weed is similarly as tragic as fellstalk. Grimy lant since YOU brought it up is down 50%. Torstol, 50%. Dwarf, 50%. Don't call it cherry-picking when you have the same information right there to check the math yourself. Fellstalk is a good standard because it's a high end, non-specialized (like blooweed) herb.

The scant few on the uptick are in single-digit percentages. The math is the math. The update didn't do anything for herb farming, at least not in the immediate. The good news is herbs will rebound and it's a great time to buy them at fire sale prices. GE ask on everything isn't what they're selling for at the moment. It's well under 20% mid.

The math is the math. You don't like it but it doesn't change the fact.

You really can't do the math?

3 x 5010 = 15,030. It is definitely more profits today tan 11,868 on November 7.

No wonder so many players are farming, and even more so are lower level farmers who enjoy progression in a typical MMORPG like RS3, as well as making the sweet rewards from the profits.

If there was no profits there would be nobody farming and everybody would be rioting in Falador... but this is no happening in RS3 as nobody is being re-balanced. Players are just the playing field leveled and the more we work on a skill, the more profits we make.

30-Nov-2022 21:36:23

Sep

2013

Fish Kitten

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Dilbert2001 said :

You really can't do the math?

3 x 5010 = 15,030. It is definitely more profits today tan 11,868 on November 7.

No wonder so many players are farming, and even more so are lower level farmers who enjoy progression in a typical MMORPG like RS3, as well as making the sweet rewards from the profits.

If there was no profits there would be nobody farming and everybody would be rioting in Falador... but this is no happening in RS3 as nobody is being re-balanced. Players are just the playing field leveled and the more we work on a skill, the more profits we make.

This is probably the most desperate and dumbest argument you've tendered to this thread so far.

Herb prices are based on single units. Herb prices, all of the examples I gave, show massive declines. For those who aren't incapable of seeing this, plant powers aren't worth it. Very simple stuff, chief.

eta: And btw, why are you farming herbs without the master farming outfit?

03-Dec-2022 20:21:19 - Last edited on 03-Dec-2022 20:22:15 by Fish Kitten

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Fish Kitten said :
Dilbert2001 said :

You really can't do the math?

3 x 5010 = 15,030. It is definitely more profits today tan 11,868 on November 7.

No wonder so many players are farming, and even more so are lower level farmers who enjoy progression in a typical MMORPG like RS3, as well as making the sweet rewards from the profits.

If there was no profits there would be nobody farming and everybody would be rioting in Falador... but this is no happening in RS3 as nobody is being re-balanced. Players are just the playing field leveled and the more we work on a skill, the more profits we make.

This is probably the most desperate and dumbest argument you've tendered to this thread so far.

Herb prices are based on single units. Herb prices, all of the examples I gave, show massive declines. For those who aren't incapable of seeing this, plant powers aren't worth it. Very simple stuff, chief.

eta: And btw, why are you farming herbs without the master farming outfit?

Profits are calculated by total investments, not just on one unit. Only dumb investors with $10 will invest just $1 to get $1.2 back when they can invest $10 to get $30 back in the same time.

03-Dec-2022 20:29:37 - Last edited on 03-Dec-2022 20:29:54 by Dilbert2001

Sep

2013

Fish Kitten

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At first I thought you were just being obtuse, but wow you actually don't get it.
The price of *anything* on the GE is a per unit figure. As I pointed out, if you sold one fellstalk on Nov. 7, you would've made 10853 gp. If you sold that one today, it would net you 3018gp (actually buys for 20% less than even that price).

If you'd sold 10M units november 7th, you would've made 10M x the spot price that day. If you sold 10M units today, you'd be getting roughly 7000gp less per unit . It doesn't matter how you process this, the figure in question is the static price of the item. In the examples I'm giving (which is nearly all herbs across the board), that price has declined sharply since this update. Very simple if you've completed the 3rd grade.

03-Dec-2022 20:39:42

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