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Sc Jw
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Sc Jw

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Half of OSRS could be bots and it would still be twice the size of RS3. And they have bots because it's popular. If there wasn't mass number of people of playing it there wouldn't be a need/desire to run bots.

All you just did is prove my point.

24-Sep-2023 03:27:48

Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001

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"Half" of OSRS are bots? How do you know it is not 80 or 90%?

At least Mod Sween confessed OSRS banned over 2.4 million bots from January to August this year, and Jagex only has 1.1 members for RS3 and OSRS combined.

24-Sep-2023 15:26:15 - Last edited on 24-Sep-2023 18:34:10 by Dilbert2001

Sc Jw
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Sc Jw

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Dilbert2001 said :
"Half" of OSRS are bots? How do you know it is not 80 or 90%?
Because the subscription revenue for OSRS is larger than RS3's subscription and MTX revenue combined. And you are attempting to twist my words so let me rephrase it for you.

Even if half of OSRS are bots, and you deduct those from the count, they still have twice the active players that RS3 does. And their player count has increased dramatically over the last 10 years while RS3 has decreased.

Those are facts easily verifiable with a simple google search for online player count. The only thing valid to discuss now is WHY this true. The short answer is "game play", it's the details of such that make for interesting conversations.

25-Sep-2023 22:41:06

Dilbert2001
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Nowhere did it say OSRS's subscription revenue is greater or less than RS3.

It is insignificant anyway, as bots can pay subscription or they can use the botted gp to buy OSRS bonds. Make no mistakes though, Bond is MTX revenue.

25-Sep-2023 22:44:49

Sc Jw
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Sc Jw

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Dilbert2001 said :
Nowhere did it say OSRS's subscription revenue is greater or less than RS3.
The number are there and I've quoted from them before, as have you (hint: revenue drop for OSRS and increase for RS3 in 2022 financials). You're a big boy, go look it up.

Dilbert2001 said :
It is insignificant anyway, as bots can pay subscription or they can use the botted gp to buy OSRS bonds. Make no mistakes though, Bond is MTX revenue.
Bzzzttt, very few bots are going to buy a subscription with real world cash. And the subscription revenue alone for OSRS is greater than RS3's subscription + MTX.

Whether you like that is irrelevant, it is what it is. I don't play that game so don't care. If others like it, great. If you like EoC, great. See, that's the difference between us.

You do you, I'll do me, neither should dictate to others.

25-Sep-2023 22:55:58

Dilbert2001
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If you can't show us anything, of course we can't see anything and have nothing to discuss. Thanks for the big nothing!

Didn't I already tell you bots can buy OSRS bonds for membership with botted OSRS gp? There are insane numbers of bots in high end OSRS bossing. We definitely don't want RS3 to become so low.

25-Sep-2023 23:04:02

Sc Jw
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Sc Jw

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Dilbert2001 said :
If you can't show us anything, of course we can't see anything and have nothing to discuss. Thanks for the big nothing!
We've both quoted from the report so I'm not going to hold your hand while you go look it up (again) on your own.

Dilbert2001 said :
Didn't I already tell you bots can buy OSRS bonds for membership with botted OSRS gp? There are insane numbers of bots in high end OSRS bossing. We definitely don't want RS3 to become so low.
Didn't you say bonds were MTX? Why yes, yes you did. And that's not subscription revenue. You can dance, you can dodge, but at the end of the day OSRS has a much larger active player base than RS3 does. OSRS active player count has been increasing dramatically over the last 10 years, while RS3 has been decreasing.

And don't try to play like RS3 doesn't have bots and RWT going on. Hello Sophanem dungeon nerf, which is why vital sparks are now so high. RS3's problem is lack of NEW players, a large chunk of what you see are somebody's alt.

And that's not sustainable.

25-Sep-2023 23:22:38

Dilbert2001
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Jagex's financial reports never showed what percentage of subscription revenues were from RS3 or OSRS. Nether did they show us how many members were in RS3 and OSRS. They told us Jagex had 1.1 million members. Period.

We weren't even talking about just MTX anyway. Please read OP first. We are talking about the RS3 and OSRS being very different they can't be just one game.

Go ask players who are playing RS3 and not disinterested in it please. Do they want all the bosses being insanely easy to bot like in OSRS? RS3 is not as shameless as OSRS.

RS3's problem is lack of NEW players? How do you know? And how do you know OSRS has a lot of new players when you don't even play that game? :D

RS3 definitely got far more FSW players than OSRS and all of them were paid members in RS3 while OSRS FSW could be played free. That's a fact regardless you think they are alts.

RS3 is far more cost effective than OSRS. They wouldn't have big streamers like B0aty and Odablock to support so they have no fear of losing anybody to ELDEN RING etc.

25-Sep-2023 23:42:04

Sc Jw
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Sc Jw

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^^^
Blah blah blah

Dance, dodge, and duck. But you can't hide the bottom line. RS3 online player count has consistently dropped over the last 10 years. OSRS has DRAMATICALLY gone up.

The main wiki (not RS) says "Old School RuneScape is now the more popular version of the game". They are referencing an article by PocketGamer, who is in turn quoting from...

Drum Roll...Mod Keiren on what was then Twitter. Apparently Leagues II is/was really popular. I don't play it so I don't know. But since that came from an official Jagex account...

Just because you don't like it, just because you wish it wasn't true, doesn't mean that it's not. It is that kind of pure delusion that is causing the slow death of RS3. Because if you can't see the problem then you can't propose a solution.

26-Sep-2023 00:24:01

Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001

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Do you know how to check the date of content of a Wiki?

The Old School Runescape Wiki page is severely outdated, when they stated
"with an all time record of 157,000 concurrent players"


We know OSRS has record of 173,000 concurrent players rather, and why don't you look at OSRS's concurrent players in 2023, which is what matters rather? They have far lower than 173,000 concurrent players, not even close to 157,000.

And please don't put words in Mod Kieran's mouth and make it like was lying to us. All he wrote was:

"Well there it is, new record high for
@OldSchoolRS
, the response to Leagues II: TrailBlazer has been nothing short of incredible."


https://www.pocketgamer.biz/news/74950/old-school-runescape-hits-new-concurrent-record-of-157k-players/

He said nothing about popularity and absolutely nothing about RS3.

Dance, dodge, and duck...Drum roll... you don't play OSRS, no wonder you are so out of touch.

Let me also advise you popularity is not dictated by concurrent players. A popular botting game is usually frown upon in the popular eyes of Main Street and Wall Street.

So RS3 reported 18% and 20% revenue growth the last 2 years, for a total of 42% growth over 2 years. Now that's what real popular means to Main Street and Wall Street.

26-Sep-2023 00:35:56 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2023 00:45:08 by Dilbert2001

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