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Golfercab
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I do see how the system being proposed could be abused as sound was saying. I think it is intended to help small clans that are new to the community stand a better chance against larger clans, which I am for. I believe that if some parameters are set, such as a clan can only use the beacon if they have 100 less clan members than the attacking clan, or by default allowing both clans to send 5 allies, then the system could work. What do you all think?
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27-Sep-2016 02:27:18

SpearsZ

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Golfercab said :
I do see how the system being proposed could be abused as sound was saying. I think it is intended to help small clans that are new to the community stand a better chance against larger clans, which I am for. I believe that if some parameters are set, such as a clan can only use the beacon if they have 100 less clan members than the attacking clan, or by default allowing both clans to send 5 allies, then the system could work. What do you all think?
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27-Sep-2016 06:07:51

3randon
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I can see the points sound are trying to make, so let me try and maybe Amend the proposal in a way that might work better. Perhaps we make the beacon cost 30 of each resource (maybe a lesser amount for rune and energy as its not as common a resource) leaving it as every other war usable and restructuring how many ppl an ally can send. If we made it no more than double (so example kw pulled 2 so no more than 2 members of allied clan) up to a max of 5 allied members total It would seriously make a clan think hard on should they or should they not use the beacon.

Honestly I think allies should have a reason and purpose. Yes rs is just a game but that doesn't mean poc life isn't based on irl things. If Germany declared on say France they wouldn't be allowed to then say sorry England you can't help France. It's part of war having friends and allies. I think finding a Purpose for having an ally other than " haha I'm allied with x clan and youre not" is a great idea as it would bring the community closer.


Also I think it worth mentioning we also need to discuss what happens if you light the beacon and the ally says no ( for whatever reasons, maybe they don't want to spend the money or maybe they are allied to both clans and one was just faster with the beacon etc.)
are you allowed to call on a second ally at that time or is the beacon wasted and you are out of luck?
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27-Sep-2016 19:46:27

Astrazak
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While the system does seem like it can be abused, it does make things a little more fair. NxG and KASH have extremely strong militaries right now. They shouldn't be penalized for that, after all they have worked really hard to get where they are. I think allowing smaller clans to have allies will definitely make warring more fun. Back when KOI and NXG warred the first time, NXG stated that they were just interested in the quality of the war more so than the actual land. If that is the case, then why vote down a proposal that will help make wars more competitive and closer? Perhaps NXG does not disagree with revamping war, they just aren't in favor of the current proposal which is fair. If that is indeed the case, then we need to all work together to come up with a proposal that everyone can get behind. I think reaching unanimity on something as big as warring is better than simply having a majority - since warring WILL impact every single POC. I do see where NXG and Sound are coming from, but this has been something we have been discussing for a long time now. This is just the first proposal to come forward.

That being said we DO need to find a purpose for alliances. We are a POC world and allies are something that will increase diplomacy that may result in more roleplay. As it stands now, allies are pretty much just clans that are super friendly with each other and can't really help one another on the world 103 stage. I truly think we need to give alliances more of a punch because it's one of the big aspects of having a political community.

27-Sep-2016 21:54:05

Damion Avah
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I honestly fully agree with astra on his statements, allies have no real uses and in negotiations chances are allies would barely ever get approved. Onto if TAK would have felt cheated or whatever if KW won with allies with only pulling 2 themselves, we honestly would have taken responsibility for not properly preparing, that would be fully on us, and plus allies being brought in wouldn't be a surprise, it will be known prior, so no matter what preperations still must be made. And yes i will agree some amendments may have to made to attempt to block attempts of abuse.
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28-Sep-2016 02:00:35

Jor Ulfrsson

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You could create three armies of three varying sizes, which cost a certain #resources to maintain on a weekly or monthly basis.

Size-1, small (10 soldiers)
Size-2, medium (15 soldiers)
Size-3, large (20 soldiers)

So, for example, there are three different sized armies: small (10 soldiers; default), medium (15 soldiers), large (20 soldiers). These sizes determine the number of soldiers a nation is allowed to have present and fighting for a given battle. For example: A large, all-powerful empire decides to raid a quaint little town on the far fringes of a foreign kingdom's territory. Confident of themselves, they decide to march with only a small army. However, to their surprise, the town is being defended by an army twice their size. What this means is that the defenders are allowed to have up to 20 soldiers on the battlefield, if online and available; whereas the aggressor is limited to only 10.) [that sounded like something from Morrowind]

** This concept is actually coupled and intertwined with other important factors which act to balance out the system; however, it is made for my (never to be) community, and I am not entirely aware of the rules of how this particular community operates, but this I lend to you to use and build off from if you so wish. We find ourselves at the end of our amusements.

28-Sep-2016 22:24:05 - Last edited on 28-Sep-2016 22:31:32 by Jor Ulfrsson

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