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Timome

Timome

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''The primary thing when you take a sword in your hands is your intention to cut the enemy, whatever the means. Whenever you parry, hit, spring, strike or touch the enemy's cutting sword, you must cut the enemy in the same movement. It is essential to attain this. If you think only of hitting, springing, striking or touching the enemy, you will not be able actually to cut him. More than anything, you must be thinking of carrying your movement through to cutting him. You must thoroughly research this.'' - Miyamoto Musashi (1645)

It's very annoying to see the immense power I could attain if only I actually cared about what I say I care about, if only I actually wanted what I say I want, if only my values were what determined my actions.
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29-Jan-2016 13:29:44

Yusou Bhoroi

Yusou Bhoroi

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There is a thin line between trying to be something, and being a fraud.. it may be better to explain and let people see what your real self is, and then explain what you think you need to do better, and why.


Also Miyamoto Musashi is considered somewhat insane, as the true art in battle is to subdue opponents without causing them harm. It tames enormous skill to last moments in battle, it takes greater skill to kill enemies while doing so; even more skill to survive this while protecting yourself from lasting injury, likewise for protecting your allies at the same time. Maling a difference on the battlefield, alone, is nigh impossible.

Managing to survive, protect allies, make a difference and take down many of the enemy, while not giving lasting hurt to any, is what really matters. Even most who are the best in fighting, would soon die if they attempted to do this once, let alone if they did it continuously, or when outdumbered.


There are very different, and interesting sayings, that exist for those who live by such aims.






On another topic: Timo. We need to do a Gameblast charity event. I am thinking that doing Gop the entire weekend, with the highest RO achieved by the person in question being what counts, and the sponsership being per orb scored for that Round (or even game).


It would be good if we could get a JMod to be the one being sponsered, as that would garner a lot more sponsership, and also help the plight of happiness through minigames.


Would you be willing to help with these aims?




Getting goppers to sponser would be a big boost to the likelyhood it might happen. As the Tea Tourney seems to have stopped, and most have had their money payed back, the remainder is still enough to cover maybe 5m/orb scored, if it's around 120 score. I can possibly double that.. I think if we can get a decent start on potential sponsership, then it would help with persuasion.

31-Jan-2016 14:16:05 - Last edited on 31-Jan-2016 14:20:48 by Yusou Bhoroi

Yusou Bhoroi

Yusou Bhoroi

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[Snipped from elsewhere]
I think it's partly a case of habbits being formed, and then permitted to take the leading role behind how newer stuff is developed (thus inforcing, and suplorting the habbits), and partly because they get to do something they've been acclimatised to seeing as fun, while also getting a game-reward at the same time - reward for doing it = do more of it.


I find doing active things fun, so I get my positive feedback from that, hence why I do it, most likely (though it's not always fun, if you end up never getting to do it for yourself, it's good to do it to encourage others to try it, and find it fun).



I think part of the problem stemmed from the average age of people playing, passing into exam/study/Uni/work brackets, so people did afk things while they were busy, and got rewarded for it (levels. Though the irl stuff may factor as a reward, too). Thus they formed a habbit for it, and tried doing other stuff, like watching vids, while afk.. which in turn adds to reward, and habbits.

JAGEX noticed this trend, and instead of combating it, embraced it, and made it more and more rewarding (to me, it seems meaninglessly, but that's just me, and I know I'm odd), so more and more do it. It becomes less and less fun to play actively, if there are fewer active players to play with - especially if it's activities where people afking can prevent fun use of content, or use at all.


A lot of content targeted as Active-play, has a built-in self-toxic system, which rewards afk over playing use of the content, this means people afk it, thus preventing fun and llay for those who try.. the triers give up, and either never return (and spread word not to go, if you want to play), or turn to afking as well. This means it's even harder to play or have fun, so more leave/afk, and newcommers don't ever get the opportunity to like the content. More and more who turn up, do so with the intent to afk, further imbalancing it.

31-Jan-2016 18:19:25 - Last edited on 31-Jan-2016 18:20:42 by Yusou Bhoroi

Yusou Bhoroi

Yusou Bhoroi

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Add to this the ready mentioned encouragement/positive feedback for afking, elsewhere in the game, and you get a situation where very few people who wish to play actively, are able to do so, or have fun.

This reflects the situation in active-content, in that proportionately more of these players leave, than afk groups, and less positive word is spread to their peers, fewer newcommers are attracted for it, or stay if they like active play, thus the situation self-amplifies.





Afking already acts as it's own reward - getting something for nothing, and indeed having the bonus of reward feedback from whatever you're doing afk. As such, it needs to be actively combated in game, just in order for there to be an equal balance between afk and all kinds of non-afk. If you simply try to be as fair to afk, as active, afk will gradually take over

- let alone the current situation where afk is encouraged, and indeed has the massive advantage of being able to disrupt active play in active content (for more reward than active play there), while active play does not disrupt afk, and indeed cannot even be accomplished on afk content (unless you think intently watching paint dry is something you can get more than a few 10s of hours worthwhile experience out of, at most).




Yes the game does need to be balanced. Yes the game does need to have afk methods that aren't disruptable. Yes people are more busy these days.


But that is exactly what active players want . What they don't want is afk to be more rewarding than active play, when the afk is done in active content (if would help if effort put in, equated reward).


I think the big clincher has been that afk content is easier to produce, so they get more money for the development effort.. unfortunately it turns RuneScape into a niche afk game, with bossing being the only alternative.



This is just one way of the current situation maming sense..

31-Jan-2016 18:20:00

Timome

Timome

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Ah, sorry for not catching this before now****. Is there a program available online that checks for updates on these forum posts and mails me when there is? (Don't look in to it. I'm just asking to cover the low-probability event that you actually knew of such a program already.)

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Yusou Bhoroi said :
Managing to survive, protect allies, make a difference and take down many of the enemy, while not giving lasting hurt to any, is what really matters. Even most who are the best in fighting, would soon die if they attempted to do this once, let alone if they did it continuously, or when outdumbered.

There are very different, and interesting sayings, that exist for those who live by such aims.

This is very interesting! I want to learn more about them. Do you have examples of such sayings? : )


Yusou Bhoroi said :

On another topic: Timo. We need to do a Gameblast charity event. I am thinking that doing Gop the entire weekend, with the highest RO achieved by the person in question being what counts, and the sponsership being per orb scored for that Round (or even game).

It would be good if we could get a JMod to be the one being sponsered, as that would garner a lot more sponsership, and also help the plight of happiness through minigames.

Would you be willing to help with these aims?


I can do this if it's after February 25th, as I have an exam then.

Sounds like a good idea ! : )
Reason, compassion and GOP.

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07-Feb-2016 14:36:31

Yusou Bhoroi

Yusou Bhoroi

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Timome said :
Ah, sorry for not catching this before now****. Is there a program available online that checks for updates on these forum posts and mails me when there is? (Don't look in to it. I'm just asking to cover the low-probability event that you actually knew of such a program already.)



Ja, though using it will get you banned. Can't use software that automatically sends requests to the servers, as it's automated traffic = not allowed.


You can, however, do one which leeches off the archiving systems, or join a group which uses one which will go via pages visited by other members (it can take the info already requested by players in the group, as and when they visit the site).

07-Feb-2016 22:35:02

Yusou Bhoroi

Yusou Bhoroi

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Timome said :


This is very interesting! I want to learn more about them. Do you have examples of such sayings? : )



Not many are ones I can understand, and translation is difficult, as you get double meanings, and there is a lack of words, terms, expression, and feelings, in English..


There can be no winners, once a fight begins.
more - There can be no sense of having done the right thing, applied, when a fight happens.
(hard to express, as the concepts don't exist to us, and the grammar is just different)

There is no blood inside those who wait.
(can't get the meaning across with that one, it needs custom understanding.. it sounds the opposite of the meaning, in English - it's more that blood outside opponents is just not.. and taking the right moment to avoid that, or not at all).

War is a process of changing ideas through teaching, and they should be more when they end, than they were at the start.
Basically, the 'enemy' may not realise your reasons for 'consenting' to partake in war with them, and may never know. They will have a long-drawn process, which they may not understand, and may see as stalemate, they won't lose anything they understand as loss, yet will understand more by the end of it.




"I have told him of Elieiurq C*ampteng', it is up to him how he interprets this." It would seem you have already come across one of these sayings, before - one that derived from a disappearance of an army. You may have taken it to mean they were annihilated, when perhaps they were subdued, though still through combat.

07-Feb-2016 22:59:09

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