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Orbie, we should get on a server and do that!
Wide, open underground is very prone to mob attacks though. I learnt that the hard way. Doesn't seem to matter how many torches you put up. I swear I'm just short of putting a torch on every floor square just so there's nowhere for them to stand.
RE: Special attacks. I'm not 100% sure. I sort of agree with Orbie about how combat will become a special attack fest, but in all honestly, when I use a special attack is about the only time I feel I'm doing anything in combat.
Also, wow, you took what I said completely wrong. I didn't mean they should change things daily... did I even say "daily"? I merely meant that they shouldn't be afraid to rebalance content as regularly as they feel. My example of the battleaxe was just Jagex trying to make it more popular, then toning it down because they over did it. It's an example of how rebalancing happens.
I don't think there's any point to there being metal special attack bonuses. No-one's going to use bronze, no matter how good the effect is. Argh! Smithing really needs to be better than level 40 defence.
Wide, open underground is very prone to mob attacks though. I learnt that the hard way. Doesn't seem to matter how many torches you put up. I swear I'm just short of putting a torch on every floor square just so there's nowhere for them to stand.
RE: Special attacks. I'm not 100% sure. I sort of agree with Orbie about how combat will become a special attack fest, but in all honestly, when I use a special attack is about the only time I feel I'm doing anything in combat.
Also, wow, you took what I said completely wrong. I didn't mean they should change things daily... did I even say "daily"? I merely meant that they shouldn't be afraid to rebalance content as regularly as they feel. My example of the battleaxe was just Jagex trying to make it more popular, then toning it down because they over did it. It's an example of how rebalancing happens.
I don't think there's any point to there being metal special attack bonuses. No-one's going to use bronze, no matter how good the effect is. Argh! Smithing really needs to be better than level 40 defence.
02-Apr-2011 11:10:15 - Last edited on 02-Apr-2011 12:06:54 by 3mptylord
It's hardly an extreme that will ever happen, unless their patch team are a bunch of trolls. And it's rebalancing, not random updating. Initially it'd be a case of when they release new content, the old content will need tweaking to keep up - this is purely due to the back-log of outdated content. But it would probably simpler to handle it as a one-time overhaul to all existing items, with only a few adjustments over the next few weeks to cover abuses that they didn't notice
THEN, the ideal is that only new content is tweaked to keep it from being overpowered. New items should be useful, not replacements. Of course, there would need to be a grace period. New items are always perceived as overpowered, but that's only because players haven't yet devised counters and solutions. It's only if the content is still overpowered after the trial-and-error phase that it needs a nerf.
Yes, but lower levels don't have a choice. Once you're level 40, it doesn't matter what special bronze has because it's stats won't add up. I never forget lower levels exist, in fact, my "Argh! Smithing really needs to be better than level 40 defence" was the conclusion to a conversation I had with myself . I started by saying "There needs to be more low level rares, rather than special effects on armour. Imagine slaying a barbarian and it drops 'Dolan's Battleaxe', this weapon has the highest available crush for level 20 and whilst using it, all players in a 5x5 grid will receive a strength boost" to couple with my previous comment on effects.
But these items were suppose to be rewards for people that find them, not necessarily a source of profit. But then I remember that lower-levelled players is Smithing's only source, and after deleting a re-writing many times... the only solution was to redo Smithing. ...by which point, it would seem, I deleted my idea.
THEN, the ideal is that only new content is tweaked to keep it from being overpowered. New items should be useful, not replacements. Of course, there would need to be a grace period. New items are always perceived as overpowered, but that's only because players haven't yet devised counters and solutions. It's only if the content is still overpowered after the trial-and-error phase that it needs a nerf.
Yes, but lower levels don't have a choice. Once you're level 40, it doesn't matter what special bronze has because it's stats won't add up. I never forget lower levels exist, in fact, my "Argh! Smithing really needs to be better than level 40 defence" was the conclusion to a conversation I had with myself . I started by saying "There needs to be more low level rares, rather than special effects on armour. Imagine slaying a barbarian and it drops 'Dolan's Battleaxe', this weapon has the highest available crush for level 20 and whilst using it, all players in a 5x5 grid will receive a strength boost" to couple with my previous comment on effects.
But these items were suppose to be rewards for people that find them, not necessarily a source of profit. But then I remember that lower-levelled players is Smithing's only source, and after deleting a re-writing many times... the only solution was to redo Smithing. ...by which point, it would seem, I deleted my idea.
02-Apr-2011 15:30:33 - Last edited on 02-Apr-2011 15:36:20 by 3mptylord
I disagree with player-controlled specials, though. Well, in the manner you suggest anyway. You could possibly have augments... and then merely allow the player to change the augments. But even then, the augment you get in a Dragon Battleaxe should be unique... if a player chooses to remove it in place of something else entirely different, that's up to them.
A special effect should be unique, and preset. However, I agree some need to change and more could be added. And I reckon how a player users them needs work... but examples of dysfunctional specials, such as the Dragon Battleaxe, could be fixed by altering the special rather than the system.
Smithing being the fix to special attacks should only be added in an overhaul. Smithing doesn't need anymore bolt-ons until the core has been fixed! It's overdue and overhaul! In a Q&A they mentioned that they'd considered compression to add more metals... how in the hell did the content board change that to a smithing minigame? Or am I just blaming the wrong person? Perhaps the end-goal was only ever to be a minigame, and it was merely the guy who writes the articles who fudged the situation by advertising it as the long awaited fix.
A special effect should be unique, and preset. However, I agree some need to change and more could be added. And I reckon how a player users them needs work... but examples of dysfunctional specials, such as the Dragon Battleaxe, could be fixed by altering the special rather than the system.
Smithing being the fix to special attacks should only be added in an overhaul. Smithing doesn't need anymore bolt-ons until the core has been fixed! It's overdue and overhaul! In a Q&A they mentioned that they'd considered compression to add more metals... how in the hell did the content board change that to a smithing minigame? Or am I just blaming the wrong person? Perhaps the end-goal was only ever to be a minigame, and it was merely the guy who writes the articles who fudged the situation by advertising it as the long awaited fix.
02-Apr-2011 15:34:54 - Last edited on 02-Apr-2011 15:39:48 by 3mptylord
I've never said the idea was a lost cause: I'm the Devil's Advocate. I don't post in non-support: only ever to get more depth and avoid potential hiccups. I question things.
I'm assuming by your comment on difference in opinions, you believe that weapon-hopping is good combat? Not in hopes of an argument but out of curiosity, how is that _good_ for combat? What logic? My only logic is that in real life you don't carry more weapons then you can visibly brandish... this is usually primary and secondary, secondary either being a smaller weapon or a shield. (Although you could argue it's primary, secondary *and* shield... one weapon in hand, one sheathed and a shield, with heavy weaponry being sheathed where the shield would otherwise be kept - thus making it impossible to use both).
Currently RuneScape doesn't support secondary weapons, only shields.
In games such as League of Legends the vast array of weapons and items only provide stats and effects, but do not actually alter the weapon you use (also, you may only carry a maximum of 6 items and the enemy can view them by clicking on you or bringing up the scoreboard). Even first person shooters that allow you to carry four weapons control each slot to primary, heavy, small and special. This creates variety. Without such control and limitations there would be a fixed, *strongest* combination and it's only the player's economy that controls what actually happens.
I'm assuming by your comment on difference in opinions, you believe that weapon-hopping is good combat? Not in hopes of an argument but out of curiosity, how is that _good_ for combat? What logic? My only logic is that in real life you don't carry more weapons then you can visibly brandish... this is usually primary and secondary, secondary either being a smaller weapon or a shield. (Although you could argue it's primary, secondary *and* shield... one weapon in hand, one sheathed and a shield, with heavy weaponry being sheathed where the shield would otherwise be kept - thus making it impossible to use both).
Currently RuneScape doesn't support secondary weapons, only shields.
In games such as League of Legends the vast array of weapons and items only provide stats and effects, but do not actually alter the weapon you use (also, you may only carry a maximum of 6 items and the enemy can view them by clicking on you or bringing up the scoreboard). Even first person shooters that allow you to carry four weapons control each slot to primary, heavy, small and special. This creates variety. Without such control and limitations there would be a fixed, *strongest* combination and it's only the player's economy that controls what actually happens.
03-Apr-2011 20:20:35
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