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06-Jan-2013 17:42:58
Anyways, anyone in the fc have any questions about the hood rule?
Or any question about why we made the rules we have after EOC? We're always happy to explain.
Or any question about why we made the rules we have after EOC? We're always happy to explain.
06-Jan-2013 23:05:17 - Last edited on 06-Jan-2013 23:08:20 by Dster0
@Sereg
Going to address your posts point by point (in order) otherwise I'll never be able to give a good response
I know you liked GPB despite it being pretty crappy, and normally when people ask I'd tell them that post-eoc, GPB is still as bad as before. However for you it may need some more emphasis, so, eh, compare it to something like Incantor's boots pre-eoc lol.
With hoods back in play, the optimal tribrid setup is 2h/hex/ccs/hood, adding a bn at 120. However the rule is no armor alongside it, so two styles + hood + bn binds within the rule too.
Unimbued staves, doomcore and ccs all give the exact same effect, being omni-elemental. Meanwhile surge spells no longer require catalytic runes. The result is that with just the staff bound, you can start casting. No surgebox, no rcing (except cosmics/laws obviously). This leaves your ammo bind for arrows.
As Antihero (you may know him as an epic from or evertim) pointed out, pathing has made its way into KABDE more than ever. Loadouts are completely pointless in dg. It is much more effective to optimize each individual. Meanwhile, armor doesn't provide offensive bonuses anymore, only weapons do, so shoving people into 'classes' is nothing but hurtful.
Armor isn't essential to survival and a keyer is little more than a glorified fighter, so stocking him up on armor is pointless. I think your concept of a keyer is rather outdated. Different melee weapons across the team isn't worth the micromanagement and effectively not even noticeable. Stab/slash/crush weaknesses aren't anything what they used to be, and weapons only come with one of them now, so sticking to a 2h or maul (sub 113) is the way to go.
Your theorising, sorry to say, just makes it seem like you're commenting on a game you've never even played. That's how much eoc has changed rs. I'm going to leave it at saying that all you mentioned about roles, primaries/secondaries etc is not worth it. You'd just be restricting yourself unnecessarily.
Going to address your posts point by point (in order) otherwise I'll never be able to give a good response
I know you liked GPB despite it being pretty crappy, and normally when people ask I'd tell them that post-eoc, GPB is still as bad as before. However for you it may need some more emphasis, so, eh, compare it to something like Incantor's boots pre-eoc lol.
With hoods back in play, the optimal tribrid setup is 2h/hex/ccs/hood, adding a bn at 120. However the rule is no armor alongside it, so two styles + hood + bn binds within the rule too.
Unimbued staves, doomcore and ccs all give the exact same effect, being omni-elemental. Meanwhile surge spells no longer require catalytic runes. The result is that with just the staff bound, you can start casting. No surgebox, no rcing (except cosmics/laws obviously). This leaves your ammo bind for arrows.
As Antihero (you may know him as an epic from or evertim) pointed out, pathing has made its way into KABDE more than ever. Loadouts are completely pointless in dg. It is much more effective to optimize each individual. Meanwhile, armor doesn't provide offensive bonuses anymore, only weapons do, so shoving people into 'classes' is nothing but hurtful.
Armor isn't essential to survival and a keyer is little more than a glorified fighter, so stocking him up on armor is pointless. I think your concept of a keyer is rather outdated. Different melee weapons across the team isn't worth the micromanagement and effectively not even noticeable. Stab/slash/crush weaknesses aren't anything what they used to be, and weapons only come with one of them now, so sticking to a 2h or maul (sub 113) is the way to go.
Your theorising, sorry to say, just makes it seem like you're commenting on a game you've never even played. That's how much eoc has changed rs. I'm going to leave it at saying that all you mentioned about roles, primaries/secondaries etc is not worth it. You'd just be restricting yourself unnecessarily.
07-Jan-2013 09:06:36
Shortbows/longbows: shortbows are more powerful and thus considerably better. Longbows act like a shield and allow for shield abilities, which definitely have niche uses. However, picking up any dropped shield (including very common antifire shields) will have the same effect. Longbows shouldn't be bound. Hexhunter is some sort of a compromise: it has the shield effect and reduced damage, but shoots faster than a shortbow, making it viable and even better. It lost the anti-mage bonus though.
All three melee styles as primaries = 3 binds. No.
Keep a second melee style as a secondary = 2 binds. No. One of the three styles is enough since eoc.
"Primary ranger"/"Primary mage"/"Primary meleer" -- Please get rid of this concept. It is so inefficient that it's against our rules lol.
"Dedicated lunar mage" -- assuming you mean vengeance spells, no.
Bns are class-indifferent but not as powerful as they used to be. Binding at 120 would be best.
Doomcore has a niche for lvl 83-89 mages, hood is the best defensive tribrid bind and hex is the best bow. Every other slayer item is junk.
Multiple action bars is very feasible. I'm using three currently (one per style) and am working on a fourth for pathing/bossing. I don't know what other people use their bars for really. The best dgers I know all have multiple dedicated bars.
Armor penalties go along the triangle and the triangle is roughly, somewhat balanced. Only body and leg armor provide penalties. The penalties affect accuracy. There is no longer a catch-all armor bind like plate + mage pray pre-eoc. However, monsters are much, much ****er now so it doesn't really matter either. You'll easily survive with just a hood.
I hope I've updated you, but most of the points you try to make are still based on a very outdated perspective. Unless you actually do some floors with us again, theorizing is pretty pointless. It's been almost a year bud
All three melee styles as primaries = 3 binds. No.
Keep a second melee style as a secondary = 2 binds. No. One of the three styles is enough since eoc.
"Primary ranger"/"Primary mage"/"Primary meleer" -- Please get rid of this concept. It is so inefficient that it's against our rules lol.
"Dedicated lunar mage" -- assuming you mean vengeance spells, no.
Bns are class-indifferent but not as powerful as they used to be. Binding at 120 would be best.
Doomcore has a niche for lvl 83-89 mages, hood is the best defensive tribrid bind and hex is the best bow. Every other slayer item is junk.
Multiple action bars is very feasible. I'm using three currently (one per style) and am working on a fourth for pathing/bossing. I don't know what other people use their bars for really. The best dgers I know all have multiple dedicated bars.
Armor penalties go along the triangle and the triangle is roughly, somewhat balanced. Only body and leg armor provide penalties. The penalties affect accuracy. There is no longer a catch-all armor bind like plate + mage pray pre-eoc. However, monsters are much, much ****er now so it doesn't really matter either. You'll easily survive with just a hood.
I hope I've updated you, but most of the points you try to make are still based on a very outdated perspective. Unless you actually do some floors with us again, theorizing is pretty pointless. It's been almost a year bud
07-Jan-2013 09:19:15
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