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Grotius
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Pure melee will get you through the dungeon, pure range will get you through the dungeon. Sure thing. Momentum will also get you through the dungeon.

However, for the same reason momentum was booted, using one style only has been booted. It is simply significantly more effective to use multiple styles. If you use a style against a monster that resists it (melee on mages, range on meleers, mage on rangers) then you'll be hitting a lot of zeros, even with prayers and accuracy buffs like berserker/sniper ring (neither of which is actually useful now anyway but eh)

Since berserker ring merely provides accuracy, the optimal method now is to tribrid with desperado and blazer rings on the quickswitch spots, and a defensive bind that doesn't provide accuracy penalties (helmet slot). Of course a lot of people are unable or unwilling to tribrid, or unwilling to suicide, so body armor are still viable options.

Since everyone has to hybrid at least, I want to call on everyone who uses body armor to please do either of these: 1) have multiple pieces of body armor in you dg4fun loadout, covering the styles you use or 2) have one piece, which doesn't provide the harshest negative bonus to either style you use (plate for melee/range, sbody for range/mage, ctop for melee/mage). Additionally, please don't use leg armor pieces. They are highly redundant, detract from your accuracy, and waste a bind slot which would be much better spent on an additional piece of body armor or an additional weapon bind (3rd style).

Finally, I'd like to ask everyone to prioritise your attacks against monsters which are weak to the style of the weapon you're holding, then those of your secondary style, and finally if there are any left, the ones weak to a third style or (if hybridding) you're not well equipped against. This leaves room for your teammates to use their styles effectively as well, and leads to much more efficient clearing overall.

Note that these are not rules, just my kind requests.

18-Dec-2012 14:40:38

Dragon Barks

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I would disagree whynot, Pure range with Hex or Sag bow with Sniper ring is highly effective. It almost seems broken its so effective. Try it out yourself, rather than splitting yourself thin on armor binds to tribrid. Just ranging with T10 sniper is far more effective currently. That is till they fix it though.

18-Dec-2012 23:10:18

Grotius
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What is the point of telling me to test it, when you clearly have no clue what I've been doing recently? Since EOC I've been testing lots of things consistently, and many of my opinions have changed accordingly. My opinion on sniper rings is not one of them. It is not as overpowered as you make it seem.

Yes, you do hit accurately, but not even close to accurately enough to warrant dropping other styles. Other styles are both significantly more accurate, and leave your ranger ring available for desperado, which boosts your damage instead. On high-level monsters, you'll only reach near-100% accuracy by using the correct styles accordingly, and preferably without accuracy penalties induced by armor. Since you'll be using range against mages only, it is very advantageous to add a fair chunk of damage with desperado to your already near-100% accuracy, while retaining a still higher-than-sniper accuracy on non-range-weak monsters by using the various styles accordingly.

Please, if you want to contribute, back your statements up with reasoning or testing, and preferably both. Just saying "lol sniper is better stfu and go look yourself" isn't productive.

18-Dec-2012 23:58:48

Dragon Barks

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While i find my accuracy against non magic with full range and sniper ring is at least 90% against rangers. And at least 70% again melees. It's quite effective but to each his own.

Didn't mean to make you mad, was just stating what I've found myself to work best for me. Way to read between the lines i guess.

19-Dec-2012 02:02:14 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2012 02:07:00 by Dragon Barks

Grotius
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I'm not mad, I just strongly dislike it when people attach value to something without proper testing and reasoning, and I dislike it even more when they then proceed to present it as a truth.

Even if your given percentages are accurate, which I highly doubt since you've posted no indication as to how you've obtained them, they're awfully low compared to style switching. As said, using appropriate styles will lead to near-100% figures on accuracy against every monster, and additionally you get the benefit of not having a ring slot wasted.

What I've been noticing a lot recently, and that's not just you specifically, is that a large number of players in dg4fun just started trying something when EOC came out. They noticed it worked, perhaps even better than before EOC. Therefore they assumed they were doing things well and just stuck with it. It is really problematic when people get dug into a situation like that, mainly caused by a lack of trying other options and a good amount of confirmation bias to boot. It makes it harder for those of us who do try out a lot of different things, to convince people that what they've been doing for a while now is sub-optimal.

19-Dec-2012 02:45:48

Grotius
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I just want to add an in-general note that if people are reluctant or afraid to change, there is no need to be. You won't be bashed on for struggling to master the new concepts, nor will you have to do it entirely on your own. All 190-200 of us are working on this currently. If anyone needs help with the transition, you should always feel free to ask for help, advise, opinions, etc from anyone who is also working on this. Especially the star-ranks should prove a good resource for this. Don't hesitate to seek help if you have trouble working with something new :)

19-Dec-2012 02:56:12

Biased

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Use range primary with mage secondary. Works for me

EDIT: I don't really think about percentages and theory of combat triangle in floor, I just use a style that I have noticed does an extremely effective job at killing monsters.

19-Dec-2012 03:15:16 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2012 03:18:30 by Biased

Dragon Barks

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I started out with range/melee but found pure range to work far greater. Had no idea pure range could be so great. Only problem I found after testing was against a 198 pickaxe which took longer than normal to kill.

If damage was completely random in rs unlike other games using desperado would make sense. But if you almost guarantee you'll hit against a ranger and bring your rate very high against a meleer it makes sense in a game like rs.

19-Dec-2012 03:21:31

Dster0
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And we have revised the rules:

- You need to bind weapons that allow you to use at least two different attack styles consistently and effectively.


The rules are not set in stone. If something changes or we see that something is more or less effective than we thought then we will change the rules. We are open minded about this.

In turn, we ask for you guys to be open minded. I know a lot of people have come up with their own conclusions of what is best. We are asking you to try out our style. Practice it and get good at it. Then compare it to your old style. If you feel like a different style is more effective then feel free to make a post about why you think we should allow it in dg4fun.

Change is always hard. It's even harder if you have a bad attitude about it. EOC is new for everyone. We want a consistent, effective style for dg4fun and therefore we will be enforcing that the rules are followed. They may change, but they should always be followed. If a rule makes dungeoneering with us no longer fun for you then feel free to go to another group that is fun for you. But I encourage everyone to give us a fair try first. It might not be as bad as you make it out to be.

19-Dec-2012 03:34:58

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