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Dster0
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Wewe and I pathed half a floor together with gc and ent bows. We came to the conclusion that it's better to melee forgotten mages. The bows work well on necros and books though.

Just thought I'd share for anyone else with a noob bow :P .

22-Jan-2013 02:18:00

Buffdude1100

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Not to be "that guy," but your conclusion is incorrect.

I don't quite know why you were using gc and ents bows instead of a sag short or hex, though. Were you on desperado, using anguish without primal plate or cele top (I don't know which you have o.o)? Were you using auto attack->pierching shot->autoattack->ricochet->auto attack->frag shot or anything similar to that?

22-Jan-2013 14:42:15

Dster0
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Buff, I was giving advice to the average dg4funner. We don't require all that fancy super efficient stuff, therefore I am allowed to make conclusions based on the basics.

I have a gc bow because I cannot get a better one. Don't shoot me for being unlucky, but we do not require the rare bows in dg4fun. Wewe obviously has ent because of his range level.

I have a sagi top and I wear it too.

I have the t10 desperado and I switch to it.

No, I don't pray anything other than soul split. Yes, I know I should but I'm just not that pro yet.

It does not matter if I stack abilities or what order I do them in because it is an accuracy problem. At least 50% of the attacks miss. I'd rather have a desperado ring for the other mages than a sniper just for forgotten mages when they fall pretty fast to my sword.


After having been through this situation with many forgotten mages I think it's evidence enough for me to offer some advice to others.

22-Jan-2013 14:58:46

Wewe112

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Actually buff, it seems that some of the monster's weaknesses have been messed up recently. Forgotten mages get hit with melee with better accuracy than expected, and forgotten warriors are being hammered by range. Like you asked, i was on t10 desp, with a rang body on, praying rigour and using auto>abitlity etc. Maybe its cuz i have noob 84 rng, but i wasnt hitting, like at all. When i switched to p2h, with t10 zerk ring, i hit the mages with 90-100% accuracy. Like dster said, we faught a lot of mages in that floor, and floors since then, and for watever reason, melee is way faster to kill them.

22-Jan-2013 15:55:33

Sereg

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My understanding, per another friend who still plays, is that weapon tier makes an astronomical difference now.

If this is the case, then using an entgallow bow, or even a gravecreeper, will not even come close to the accuracy of a hexhunter or sagitarrian bow(and thus will not properly compare with a primal 2h as the melee alternative).

Now, I'm not trying to discredit the test, and I'm not even sure my information is accurate, since, as many have pointed out in response to previous posts, I haven't played for a very long time, and am certainly not up to speed on the more recent combat changes.

However, it's something that may be worth considering while running tests like that.

Also of note - super-efficiency strikes me as irrelevant here. If someone uses the proper top, ring, and prayer while meleeing, they will likely do the same while ranging - likewise with someone who doesn't bother to do those things while meleeing. So whether someone is being efficient or not shouldn't really influence whether changing styles is effective.
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22-Jan-2013 20:52:22 - Last edited on 22-Jan-2013 20:53:19 by Sereg

Wewe112

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You may be correct about the weapon teirs, but dster and i were really just talking about forgotten mages. Their weakness seems to be reversed right now. Necros and books for example, are still hit with fairly good accuracy using an ent bow, and are hit fairly poorly with a p2h.
However jagex seems to be tweaking monster's def and weaknesses quite a lot, so these observations will probably change soon :p

22-Jan-2013 21:26:47

Buffdude1100

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Tiers definitely matter. If you're comparing a primal 2h with t10 berserker against an ent short bow, then yeah of course the p2h is gonna win lol. Sag short is extremely close to hex in terms of effectiveness, and that's available to everyone who has 99 range.

And yes, abilities do matter.

Ent short:
Damage: 742
Accuracy: 3,043
LP: 0
Armor rating: 0

Grave short:
Damage: 834
Accuracy: 4,957
LP: 0
Armor rating: 0

Sag short:
Damage: 918
Accuracy: 7,689
LP: 0
Armor rating: 0

Hex:
Damage: 519
Accuracy: 7,323
LP: +1,485
Armor rating: 1,464

Sag shortbow has 176 more damage and 4,646 more accuracy than the ent shortbow.

It has 84 more damage and 2,732 more accuracy than the grave shortbow.

Sag short is around the same as hex, with a slightly higher (very slightly) damage output. Hex just gets the lp boost, armor boost and opening of a few defensive abilities, which should be used in the correct situation*

**;dr Tier matters. Sag short is much better than ent and grave **orts and is very easily obtainable.

If you don't have 99 ranged then by all means use melee, though.

23-Jan-2013 00:57:14 - Last edited on 23-Jan-2013 01:17:17 by Buffdude1100

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