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Buffdude1100

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Oh please, Sereg is F2P. -.-
As Dster said, the keyers are in the best position to evaluate a person on trial because we manage everyone in the team, which includes the person on trial. If they don't listen well, don't gate when told, have terrible attack styles (using 2h crush on zombies, slashing all the melee skeletons etc.) then they will not get approved.
Usually I LOVE to key. It's simply the most fun in the game I've ever had. Being able to manage 4 other people, know exactly where to place the ggs, my personal gate and everyone else's personal gate... it's just fun.
However, when there are slow people on the team (don't gate when told, slow to ggs, slow to skill doors, etc.) then I really do not want to key for them. These are the times when I do not wish to key. It's stressful to say "gt gate cd" and I get no reply, so when I ask 5 minutes later "hey did you gate cd?" and I get the reply "no," well yeah, it's really stressful because now I have to run a marathon to get to it.
If you're going to pin keying down on us every single floor ever simply because we have the keyer rank, then I'm going to make you skill because you have the skilling rank. See the trade-off?
tl;dr Just TRY keying. It seriously isn't hard.

08-Jul-2012 16:38:21 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2012 20:04:25 by Buffdude1100

Buffdude1100

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Also, another thing I noticed was when people are trying to form a floor "floor+2+keyer," they only advertise it once and then give up... keep trying, lol. There was an incident last night (maybe no one else noticed it but the guy forming the floor sure did) where a guy formed a floor+keyer, got 2 other people, advertised it once then didn't advertise again for 5 minutes. In this time, someone else started forming a floor and one of the members of the first guy's team left his floor so he could join this second guy's floor. Wtf? Since when can we do that? -.-

08-Jul-2012 16:44:02

Sun Exit

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Buff,
As a keyer you have to be able to adjust your communication, depending on what kind of team you have at hand. Just spamming stuff out and expecting to be instantly obeyed like you are some kind of God wont help in a floor with newbies? In fact, it rubs me the wrong way too coz it's flat out rude and bratty, tbh. Yes, newbies require patience and support - something we all have to be, including you I think. They will learn. If you want them to learn in a positive, inspirering way, you should check out Cpt's and Matte's posts again - that is how you will get people to put ALL their effort in the dunging and to really listen to what you say.
(And yes, I do skill in 97 % of my floors)
Secondly, I know I've been starting to form a floor sometime, but other things got in the way. Maybe something simple like that just happened?
Out of curiousity - are we still talking about the senior dg4fun or the jr one?

08-Jul-2012 17:27:06 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2012 17:52:52 by Sun Exit

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2007

Jigabachi

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why do you even have the keyer rank if you aren't willing to guide every person in floors. it's almost as if you just view the rank as a nice shiny thing next to your name but aren't willing to take up the responsibilities that go along with it.
wah wah slow people wah wah who the hell cares, i didn't realise this was a rush clan. sometimes things happen and you have to run around a bit more than usual but seeing as you are of the rank just below general, surely you can cope with that? surely you can be the bigger person and look at the situation as a training exercise for "slow" people instead of defaulting to whine mode?
no one is saying key all the time, just that if the situation arises that you are the only ranked keyer in the team and no one wants to key, you step up and take the role because you have shown through applying for the rank that you are capable of doing it.

08-Jul-2012 17:44:32 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2012 18:07:03 by Jigabachi

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2005

Dster0

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Meh it really is stressful to key for a fighter who doesn't bother to read the chat. Because you ask them once, move on to the next room, no reply, ask them again, no reply, have to leave gt behind for them, ask again...and so on. It stresses me because I feel like I'm holding up the rest of the team while I try to communicate to one person. And then I know that later when I ask that person to mgt they are going to not be able to do that and I'll have to go over it all over again. After one of these floors I usually refuse to key another for that person and go take a nice break

. But it doesn't happen all that often, just saying that I agree with buff that sometimes you need a break from keying.
(That doesn't mean be rude to the slow people. It means slow people must be taken in small doses.)

08-Jul-2012 18:16:44

Dec

2007

Jigabachi

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seeing as i sense another discussument of the circling nature i'm just going to back out now, i apologise for any offense caused by my acidic tones. as you can see subjects of this nature strike a nerve with me so yeah i can go a bit far.
until next time

*slams staff and withdraws into the shadows* *mwahahahaha*

08-Jul-2012 18:41:03 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2012 18:41:59 by Jigabachi

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2005

Dster0

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^ more people need to learn to do that. Thanks

.

08-Jul-2012 18:44:14

Sun Exit

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Yes, I can totally see that it can be frustrating to key when noone listens, but acting like a jackass wont make it any better ><. Luckely, we have a good teamwork in the clan, and when those occations occur (which isn't that often) I and the rest of the team usually chips in and covers for the person that might be having trouble keeping up with the confusion at hand.
Again, learning the dung style takes time, and ppl need time to learn. Be patient. I can't see any high lvl dungers ignoring keyer calls out of spite? If so, thats an issue for the gens to handle.
Agreeing with Jigs, we've had this discussion before, and came to the conclusion that things are good enough as they are. Idk why that would change this time.

08-Jul-2012 19:01:28

Bobby Bobby

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Sooooooo, yeah. I guess this is the right place.
I was with dg4fun when it was created. Did a lot of floors, met some good people, and had a lot of fun. It made the grind of 120 dg a lot easier. However, I took like 6 months off from the game. I came back to find that dg had changed quite dramatically.
I found that the shared key system encourages splitting up..which makes killing all but dead ends less ideal(since you want to move in one big unit for that) You really only want everyone together now for the really tough gd's or the rooms that require everyone (emotes/portals/levers)
I enjoyed my time with yall, but the changes to dungeoneering make me want to go back to "traditional" rushing. Have fun everyone.

08-Jul-2012 19:42:32

Buffdude1100

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I try not to be rude to slow people, I truly do.
However, it's very hard when they're rude to me. By completely ignoring what I'm saying, you're being very rude and I really do not appreciate it. I'm not using this as an excuse, but perhaps we should look at it from both sides?
After I have a floor like that, I *need* to take a break from keying. Let someone else do it the next floor.
Again, just TRY keying. It really isn't hard guys.
Also @ Bobby, it was never ideal for the entire team to stick together the entire floor lol. We split up. >.>

08-Jul-2012 20:08:39 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2012 20:09:53 by Buffdude1100

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