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Buffdude1100

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It has also come to my attention that people think that only keyer ranks can key.
WHAT.
No, the only people that can't key in here are those who haven't done a single floor in our style (if anyone remembers that one guy that came in 10 or so months ago who was a "good" rush keyer claimed he could key us 15 min floors... he cannot key for us).
When I said no, not only keyer ranks can key, I got BLASTED "omg then why do we have the rank??"
We have another rank that means you can open every door and do both skill tasks. That doesn't mean you have to.
I'm curious though, why do people think that *only* keyer ranks can key? This isn't the first time I heard it, but it is the first time since we started requiring everyone to read the thread in its entirety.
When I saw a floor "occ+2+keyer" I asked what if you fill and no one wants to key? They said "i dont know." -.- You should probably figure it out before it actually does happen and you end up having to either key it (oh no! (sarcasm)) or disband the team.

08-Jul-2012 00:55:50

Dster0
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Then just tell whoever is confused that you don't have to have a keyer rank to key. Explain the extra responsibilities of the keyer rank.
If a floor is formed and no one wants to key then obviously it won't start. They'll figure it out when it comes to that. It's not really a big deal.
We will get new keyers when there's a high enough demand for them, because people will try out the role and improve in it. I don't think there's really a huge problem yet.
Plus I like it when teams find themselves without a keyer. That's how I started keying, and it turned out to be good for me. Not that I'm a great keyer or anything, but I can get by and have some fun doing it.

08-Jul-2012 03:02:54

Buffdude1100

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Plus I like it when teams find themselves without a keyer. That's how I started keying, and it turned out to be good for me. Not that I'm a great keyer or anything, but I can get by and have some fun doing it.
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That's what I like to hear... everyone can learn something from Robyn (or is it Robin? idk I forgot >.&lt ;) .
And from what I've seen in the fc for the past few days, at least half the floors being started (or at least in my ~10 or so hours played per day) are "floor+x+keyer."
All I'm asking is that those of you who've never keyed before or are afraid to at least try. It isn't hard at all, in fact, it's fun!

08-Jul-2012 03:49:18 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2012 04:24:19 by Buffdude1100

Applejuiceaj
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Quote Mila from Page 5:

"And at the end of the floor, he was apologizing for the floortime. WTF?!?!?!

I know it's not the only time this has happened, but this was just the most recent time it happened when I was there.

So imagine if you were new on that team. Someone does a great floor, and still feels the need to apologize. Would you even want to try next week?"

I think it was more of a "I didn't intend the floor to necessarily take as long as it did" apology...but fact of the matter is, we all had fun and most of us had 1 death at most. Is it going to keep me from keying again? Of course not! We did the best we could considering the circumstances and we had fun, which is why we continue to dungeon.

Not everyone is as fast or as pro as some that we've all gone with, but after all on the typical Dg4fun floor, its not about the time, its about having fun.

Just figured I'd throw in a reply to that quickly, which I would have done earlier had I not gotten called into work early today. :P
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08-Jul-2012 04:20:34 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2012 05:10:42 by Applejuiceaj

Sereg

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Sun, I never said anything about a rule regarding longterm members' abilities to key.
It's simply a basic expectation. Unless you're a slow learner to the point of mental incapacity, you can do it. I know. I'm not quite that slow, but in general I don't learn things very quickly.
Yet I can key. I'm not Buff's level of proficiency, even when I had a keyer rank and actually did it on a nearly daily basis. I still wouldn't be, even if I'd continued keying daily for the last three months. But that's not the point. I have the knowledge to do so.
Everyone who's been with this channel for a reasonable period of time has the knowledge to do so. That's not to say they'll be comfortable - but they most certainly are, or should be, able to do so should the need arise.
There's no need for a rule to state that.
And lol @ people thinking they need a keyer rank to key - what's happened to this channel while I've been inactive? o.O Do we accept apps from people who haven't read the thread, now? Or did the description of the keyer rank get removed from it?
Keyer rank means one thing: You have the authority to evaluate trial members. That is all. It does not mean that you alone can key - it doesn't even mean you have to key. It simply means you have enough knowledge of dungeoneering techniques and the KABDE style to determine whether a new applicant would be a good addition to the channel.
Perhaps that needs to be made absolutely clear on the recruitment thread, and the methods to ensure it's been read in full need to be made more rigorous.
That, or we could simply add it to the application: "In the event that there is no keyer for a floor you've formed, are you willing to step up to fill that role? Yes/No"
(Yes, I realize that won't go over well. Meh.)
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08-Jul-2012 14:02:46

Jigabachi
Dec Member 2007

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if the keyer rank is there just for people to evaluate new applicants then why call it keyer rank at all? how about wannabe gen rank? seeing as that is what a few who have it seem to be
constantly people are told that they have the bar ranks to fill skiller positions so they must be prepared to do so when asked, so why doesn't the same apply to people with the silver rank?
if there is a silver rank on the team then they must be prepared to willingly take the role of keyer just as non silver must be prepared to skill

08-Jul-2012 15:17:20

Dster0
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As the leader of a floor, the keyer is usually in the best position to evaluate one of their teammates. Keyer rank is also not given automatically when someone passes their trial floors. For that reason we felt that we could only be confident in allowing keyers and generals to approve new people. If we had other ranks that weren't based purely on skills levels I'm sure we'd allow them to approve new people as well. I'm not suggesting changing the ranking system - I think it's working well.
People with keyer rank should be prepared to well...key. If someone no longer wishes to be a full time keyer then they can ask for their rank removed. If a keyer simply needs an occasional break from keying, I'd say be courteous and give it to them.

08-Jul-2012 15:31:43

Sun Exit

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Jiga - good point.
And yea, I don't find the keying thing to be a brickwall problem tbh. We have a lot of awesome keyers, and some non-key-ranks that are interested to learn.
Hen of a feather?

08-Jul-2012 16:06:56 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2012 16:12:16 by Sun Exit

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