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Sereg

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There's nothing wrong with a learning experience. And it's true that some of our members didn't do any team dungeoneering, or very little of it, until they joined us, meaning that they will have difficulties with some of these concepts at first.
But that isn't the standard. That's not where we want to be - holding the hands of inexperienced players floor after floor. And for those of us used to floors with competent, experienced, long term channel members who know what they're doing and what's expected of them, having to deal with someone who does have to be guided is frustrating.
We're not here to teach. That's not what this clan is about. The majority of our new applicants have had 5:5 experience before, and those who haven't should quickly come to understand what to do. So a floor where people do have to be helped, tolerated, and have things politely explained to them should be a rarity.
And this isn't about relaxed versus rush. If you're relaxed, but you are always where you're supposed to be doing something productive, that's fine. If you're rushing but you don't know what you're doing and you're not gating and you're ignoring your keyer, that's not ok.
If you're new and inexperienced and not sure what's expected of you, that's fine. Let your team know before you start, and they'll almost certainly be more then happy to help you and guide you.
But go into it like you know what you're doing, and then fail to have a door gated when you're asked to mgt later because you didn't know what "gt gate pcr" meant, and didn't bother to tell anyone, you're a problem. It's no wonder your teammates, and especially your keyer, become frustrated with you.
Helping someone who needs help and knows it and is willing to learn is one thing. Tolerating someone who doesn't do the right thing and doesn't ask for help is another.
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Walls of our flesh, bricks of our bone/Deadly intent to defend our kind

09-Jul-2012 20:20:59 - Last edited on 09-Jul-2012 20:21:59 by Sereg

Dster0
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No one should ever be rude to anyone...period. We should be helpful and patient with new people trying to learn our style. However, we want to keep our floor quality very high and therefore we don't allow people who become a burden to stay in the fc. Those people might not be a burden in other groups, but they become a burden in ours because of our standards.

09-Jul-2012 20:29:01

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I wasn't asking for people to hold hands or for the clan to become a dung-school.
I was just asking for some common sense, social skills and patience.
"Tolerating someone who doesn't do the right thing and doesn't ask for help is another."
>.< sigh
Seriously, nvm..

09-Jul-2012 20:35:32 - Last edited on 09-Jul-2012 20:36:52 by Sun Exit

Dster0
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People seem all nice in my floors and no one complains about people being rude to new people. So, if someone is being a problem just tell us :) . Sereg and I are just talking hypothetically, so maybe are missing the point.

09-Jul-2012 20:46:32

Buffdude1100

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I'd be much more open to helping people if, at the beginning of the floor or before it started they say "hey guys i've soloed a lot of my xp so i dont know a lot of the teaming dung procedures, so mind helpin' me out?" than someone that doesn't say a single thing.
If you're new to Dungeoneering teams, then *please* accept constructive criticism.
So, if you have a spear and blaster ring with a chainbody and seeker's charm with 125 prom arrows bound, please, let me help you. You need better binds to perform optimally. Same goes with gating methods/apm etc..

09-Jul-2012 23:17:58

Kio Tori

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Mod Rathe
Q:"If you are penalized for attacking a monster with a weapon/style that isn’t their weakness, how will dungeoneering work for players with lower levels? Since lower leveled players may only bind one or two items, one can’t cover every attack style."
A: We are talking about making some changes to Dungeoneering currently to resolve this issue. The most likely change is that we will dramatically increase the number of bind slots at all levels.
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Woo more binds :D

10-Jul-2012 00:11:12

Divi
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It's not a very long list of people that we actually decline based on their performance in floors. Most people so far have listened and gotten better at it. No where near all of us came here with a complete understanding of how we do floors. Rushers are equally as guilty of this as people who soloed to 100.
You are expected to hit the ground running when you join your first floor. The thread should explain the majority of how we do floors. Your first floor is just when you see it in action vs. reading it as text. No one is expected to be "perfect". No one is perfect. Why strive for perfection when it is impossible to obtain? Friendly competitions work better than that for increasing your skill.
We are ready and willing to work with most people and help explain things to them, or advise them on binds, tactics, general procedure in floors, etc. Some people however still simply don't get it after a reasonable amount of time. Either they simply don't care enough to try to improve, or their dunging quality is naturally low. There are other groups out there that are more suited to these people. Groups where the lazy can put forth minimal effort, or the low caliber dungers can find teams that suit them and provide a better experience for them.
It is not fair to this group to accept the lazy, or those that just don't get it no matter how many times you try to help them.
The exception to this is people that thing they are God's gift to earth. They are the best Daeminhiem has ever seen, and nothing you say can change that. They won't listen to any constructive criticism. They won't bother trying to change, or even improve for that matter.
People like that have no place here and never will. I learned my mistake concerning people like that. None are with the group now that are like that to my knowledge. Speak up if someone won't listen to advice, or accept help when they clearly need it.

10-Jul-2012 00:25:25

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Divi,
Last post;
surely you understand that I'm not talking about patience concering lazy ppl?
Those that are unwilling to contribute nor learn are pretty easy to spot.
However, being insecure and not talkative doesn't automatically mean you are lazy nor stupid. And spamming "gtc" a million times wont help either, rather the opposite.
Anyways, I think the chance for my point to be understood here is zero now,
so nighty you all :P

10-Jul-2012 01:02:10

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