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Subzero

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Salcos said :
So I just want to make sure i am understanding the thread correctly:

Anyone will be able to summon the avatar from the pet interface. So if one person has it summoned, will everyone else on the world still get the XP buff?

Essentially, I am suggesting that Jagex keep Avatars exactly the same as they are now, but allow everyone in the Clan the option to summon one of the Clan's shared Avatars from the pet interface. Additionally, improve the rubbish buffs.

However, Jagex plan to allow everyone to summon their own Clan Avatar via the pet interface. Additionally, they will delete all the buffs except for the XP buff. I do not agree with this for the various reasons discussed.

Salcos said :
If you need to have the avatar summoned to get the XP buff what about the people who use familiars while skilling?

I am suggesting that it stays as it currently is.

I.E. - if you want to summon an Avatar then you can't have a familiar at the same time.

The reason I challenge this is because objectively I don't see why you should be able to summon an Avatar and a Yak at the same time, if you can't summon a Steel Titan and a Yak at the same time.

Note: Personally, I wouldn't mind being able to summon an Avatar at the same time as other familiars, because it would make the game easier for me...

... But that would be biased of me to say/do.

The idea of this thread is to completely remove any personal bias I have and to try and challenge the design changes objectively. Just because they make the game easier for me it doesn't mean they are good changes from a design point of view.

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22-Jan-2017 17:46:27 - Last edited on 22-Jan-2017 17:50:29 by Subzero

Salcos

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But if one person has the avatar summoned from the pet interface will everyone still get the 3% who are on the same world?

Because i know while training hunter for example, I will have the arctic bear out while someone has the avatar somewhere on the world.

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22-Jan-2017 17:52:06

Salcos

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And if everyone can summon their OWN avatar, what about all the resources that have gone to the habitats?

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22-Jan-2017 17:54:34

Subzero

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Salcos said :
But if one person has the avatar summoned from the pet interface will everyone still get the 3% who are on the same world?

Because i know while training hunter for example, I will have the arctic bear out while someone has the avatar somewhere on the world.

Salcos said :
And if everyone can summon their OWN avatar, what about all the resources that have gone to the habitats?

Are these questions about the changes I suggested, or the changes Jagex plan?

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22-Jan-2017 18:36:07

Salcos

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Subzero said :
Salcos said :
But if one person has the avatar summoned from the pet interface will everyone still get the 3% who are on the same world?

Because i know while training hunter for example, I will have the arctic bear out while someone has the avatar somewhere on the world.

Salcos said :
And if everyone can summon their OWN avatar, what about all the resources that have gone to the habitats?

Are these questions about the changes I suggested, or the changes Jagex plan?

The plan

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22-Jan-2017 20:26:34

Salcos

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The taking away of buffs rather than improving them is not right. The buffs are bad because Jagex made them bad. So we need to improve them and make them useful instead of just removing them.

Someone told me the other buffs were supposed to be implemented in another way in the future, but I do not really think that is okay to say either. If they are going to update the clan avatars they need to have everything in one update ready to go, even if it makes it take longer. The reasoning for this is because look at Invention batch 2, and raids batch 2. Both said they were going to happen, raids 2 was even talked about at runefest but got postponed indefinitely. I am extremely worried that is what is going to happen with the other buffs. They will constantly put them on the back burner, as they do with all other clan updates and never release them to us until we eventually forget about them.

We should not give up half of a whole with the promise of getting more than what we had, if that promise is not guaranteed to come to fruition.

I am agreement with you subzero, if they are going to update it--they should do it better than this.

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22-Jan-2017 20:26:57

Subzero

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Salcos said :
But if one person has the avatar summoned from the pet interface will everyone still get the 3% who are on the same world?

Because i know while training hunter for example, I will have the arctic bear out while someone has the avatar somewhere on the world.
Salcos said :
And if everyone can summon their OWN avatar, what about all the resources that have gone to the habitats?

The plan for Jagex is to make the Clan Avatar a cosmetic override for your familiar. When the Avatar cosmetic override is active, you will gain your 3-5% XP boost.

Therefore, you wouldn't ever need anyone else to summon an Avatar; you can just override your own.

Assuming no further changes were made to Clan Habitats, there would be no difference between a Basic and Grand Avatar Habitat because there would be an unlimited amount of Avatars (every Clanmate has their own) regardless.

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22-Jan-2017 21:34:57 - Last edited on 22-Jan-2017 21:43:48 by Subzero

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I think there are 3 useful buffs so far if im correct in that? we should just keep those and leave it at that, im not sure why theres a plan to remove the useful ones, there doesnt need to be too many buffs on them pat of the reason why most are useless is because its overshadowed by the better buffs on the ava.

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23-Jan-2017 00:33:57

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I support this post in its entirety. I actually just got done voicing similar concerns on Reddit page.

I don't see why we're trying to provide a 3%+ XP boost for clans for absolutely no reason. I wasn't too keen on the original Avatar design doing this, but at the very least I could see how it was trying to be used to bring people together to skill together. Now, with this being removed, I don't see the point of this at all.

My final paragraph in my first post on Reddit basically summarizes: "So ultimately, this may just be the 12 year player veteran in me talking, but I don't agree with giving out free XP to a clan if it's not being used in at least some way to incentivize a clan function. I don't think maintaining a citadel is a strong enough case for this. That's not to say what we have now is by any means perfect, but I believe we could make a better step than the proposed changes. If we make any changes to how the XP boost is given out, we should be looking for ways to incentivize community, not XP grinds."

Sub - great post, very thought-out. I agree that we should not let clans just become another means for XP. We're so much more than that. As nice as the update would be from a personal/XP standpoint, we need to look out for the community and push for community-incentivizing reform.

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23-Jan-2017 06:16:40 - Last edited on 23-Jan-2017 06:17:20 by Kibbles RNC

Subzero

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Scret said :
I think there are 3 useful buffs so far if im correct in that? we should just keep those and leave it at that, im not sure why theres a plan to remove the useful ones, there doesnt need to be too many buffs on them pat of the reason why most are useless is because its overshadowed by the better buffs on the ava.

There doesn't need to be too many, but seven was a good, diverse number which meant that each Clan (should) customise their Avatar to meet their needs. It would help preserve diversity to Avatars if all of the buffs were kept, and the worst buffs be improved.

(The main improvement to them is making them all work server-wide, like the XP buff. Some of them, such as Skill Plot bonus, need the numbers tweaking/improving as well.)

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23-Jan-2017 10:20:43

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