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Scret
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They are bad content because they are bad content regardless of how they are implemented,
This isn't a quantifiable or justified argument, therefore I'm ignoring it.
Scret said :
theres no sense to them in the same way there is no sense to have bikinis in a medieval fantasy MMO.
This argument is flawed in-context because we do actually have Bikini outfits in-game.
However ignoring the above irony, you're trying to compare a cosmetic Bikini to a currency; a comparison that you can't draw because they share no similarity.
Scret said :
There doesnt need to exist an item like orts, all your ideas posted can happen regardless of an item just by how much you have contributed in general to your citadel resources through fealty, the item doesnt need to exist.
All of my ideas for Citadel rewards require a currency. You cannot put a reward system in without a currency.
Anagogic orts are a currency which already exists and already relates to clans.
Fealty rank only contains four values and therefore would be difficult to use as a currency. Whilst you could simply offer one reward per week per Fealty rank, this limits how diversely powerful the rewards could be, whereas using Orts which can have hundreds of thousands of values allows for more diverse reward cost and reward power.
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Orts are only a small part about why I don't like the Avatar changes. I reiterate a few other large reasons:
1) Deleting Old buffs instead of reworking them is lazy, and ruins the diversity that Clan Avatars were supposed to represent.
2) Giving everyone in their Clan their own personal Clan Avatar encourages solo play, whereas Avatars are supposed to represent community/group play.
3) Giving everyone in the Clan a limitless, constant 3% XP boost for free, is a middle finger to non-clan players
Incursione 2100+/130+ Clan, Avatar access for all.
They are bad content because they are bad content regardless of how they are implemented,
This isn't a quantifiable or justified argument, therefore I'm ignoring it.
Scret said :
theres no sense to them in the same way there is no sense to have bikinis in a medieval fantasy MMO.
This argument is flawed in-context because we do actually have Bikini outfits in-game.
However ignoring the above irony, you're trying to compare a cosmetic Bikini to a currency; a comparison that you can't draw because they share no similarity.
Scret said :
There doesnt need to exist an item like orts, all your ideas posted can happen regardless of an item just by how much you have contributed in general to your citadel resources through fealty, the item doesnt need to exist.
All of my ideas for Citadel rewards require a currency. You cannot put a reward system in without a currency.
Anagogic orts are a currency which already exists and already relates to clans.
Fealty rank only contains four values and therefore would be difficult to use as a currency. Whilst you could simply offer one reward per week per Fealty rank, this limits how diversely powerful the rewards could be, whereas using Orts which can have hundreds of thousands of values allows for more diverse reward cost and reward power.
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Orts are only a small part about why I don't like the Avatar changes. I reiterate a few other large reasons:
1) Deleting Old buffs instead of reworking them is lazy, and ruins the diversity that Clan Avatars were supposed to represent.
2) Giving everyone in their Clan their own personal Clan Avatar encourages solo play, whereas Avatars are supposed to represent community/group play.
3) Giving everyone in the Clan a limitless, constant 3% XP boost for free, is a middle finger to non-clan players
Subzero
Incursione 2100+/130+ Clan, Avatar access for all.
20-Jan-2017 14:51:24 - Last edited on 20-Jan-2017 15:00:36 by Subzero
Subzero
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Scret said :
They are bad content because they are bad content regardless of how they are implemented,
This isn't a quantifiable or justified argument, therefore I'm ignoring it.
Scret said :
theres no sense to them in the same way there is no sense to have bikinis in a medieval fantasy MMO.
This argument is flawed in-context because we do actually have Bikini outfits in-game.
However ignoring the above irony, you're trying to compare a cosmetic Bikini to a currency; a comparison that you can't draw because they share no similarity.
Scret said :
There doesnt need to exist an item like orts, all your ideas posted can happen regardless of an item just by how much you have contributed in general to your citadel resources through fealty, the item doesnt need to exist.
All of my ideas for Citadel rewards require a currency. You cannot put a reward system in without a currency.
Anagogic orts are a currency which already exists and already relates to clans.
Fealty rank only contains four values and therefore would be difficult to use as a currency. Whilst you could simply offer one reward per week per Fealty rank, this limits how diversely powerful the rewards could be, whereas using Orts which can have hundreds of thousands of values allows for more diverse reward cost and reward power.
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You cannot put a reward system in without currency you say but miscellenia is perfect example of how you can.
There doesnt need to be a currency just acknowledgement of your contributions. which is much better than some random item randomly appearing for no reason.
Going back to bikinis it doesnt matter how its implemented its crap, cringe nonsensical content that has no place in a medieval fantasy game, this isnt second life.
Scret said :
They are bad content because they are bad content regardless of how they are implemented,
This isn't a quantifiable or justified argument, therefore I'm ignoring it.
Scret said :
theres no sense to them in the same way there is no sense to have bikinis in a medieval fantasy MMO.
This argument is flawed in-context because we do actually have Bikini outfits in-game.
However ignoring the above irony, you're trying to compare a cosmetic Bikini to a currency; a comparison that you can't draw because they share no similarity.
Scret said :
There doesnt need to exist an item like orts, all your ideas posted can happen regardless of an item just by how much you have contributed in general to your citadel resources through fealty, the item doesnt need to exist.
All of my ideas for Citadel rewards require a currency. You cannot put a reward system in without a currency.
Anagogic orts are a currency which already exists and already relates to clans.
Fealty rank only contains four values and therefore would be difficult to use as a currency. Whilst you could simply offer one reward per week per Fealty rank, this limits how diversely powerful the rewards could be, whereas using Orts which can have hundreds of thousands of values allows for more diverse reward cost and reward power.
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a limitle [/quote][/quote][/quote]
You cannot put a reward system in without currency you say but miscellenia is perfect example of how you can.
There doesnt need to be a currency just acknowledgement of your contributions. which is much better than some random item randomly appearing for no reason.
Going back to bikinis it doesnt matter how its implemented its crap, cringe nonsensical content that has no place in a medieval fantasy game, this isnt second life.
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21-Jan-2017 03:13:15
Tok3d
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SnakeLady said :
I would like the change of changing the rank as who can get the avatar. I feel the clans should decide the rank for permission.
Snakelady
Has subzero suggest something differently? I haven't read it because I won't get drawn into one of these long threads again that ultimately result in no change.
But in the current proposed change the avatar would become useless and merely a cosmetic that people can summon to show off their clan colours as interacting with the stone would be how you get your bonus xp.
I've made a change to the thread so that at the end of each post, if you just want a summary, it's written in bold.
I appreciate that this an objective/analytical thread which is probably too long for many to read; something I don't usually do -- but I feel so strongly about the Avatars and their place in the Clan Community that I felt the need to rip this rework apart in depth.
Mod Moltare's Proposal: Let all Clanmates summon Avatars using the pet interface. Clans have an unlimited amount of Avatars; one for every clanmate. Avatars are not treated like a familiar, but instead they are an override (i.e. you can summon a Yak and an Avatar at the same time.) All the buffs are deleted apart from the XP buff.
Subzero's Feedback: Let all Clanmates summon Avatars using the pet interface. Clans have a maximum of three Avatars to share. Avatars are treated like a familiar, as they currently are (i.e. you cannot summon a Yak and an Avatar at the same time.) Keep all the buffs, and improve the rubbish ones.
I agree it would be fair to allow Clans to limit which ranks can summon the Avatar using the pet interface if there were only three Avatars max. Personally however this wouldn't affect Incursione regardless as we already let everyone in the clan summon one of our three Avatars.
Incursione 2100+/130+ Clan, Avatar access for all.
SnakeLady said :
I would like the change of changing the rank as who can get the avatar. I feel the clans should decide the rank for permission.
Snakelady
Has subzero suggest something differently? I haven't read it because I won't get drawn into one of these long threads again that ultimately result in no change.
But in the current proposed change the avatar would become useless and merely a cosmetic that people can summon to show off their clan colours as interacting with the stone would be how you get your bonus xp.
I've made a change to the thread so that at the end of each post, if you just want a summary, it's written in bold.
I appreciate that this an objective/analytical thread which is probably too long for many to read; something I don't usually do -- but I feel so strongly about the Avatars and their place in the Clan Community that I felt the need to rip this rework apart in depth.
Mod Moltare's Proposal: Let all Clanmates summon Avatars using the pet interface. Clans have an unlimited amount of Avatars; one for every clanmate. Avatars are not treated like a familiar, but instead they are an override (i.e. you can summon a Yak and an Avatar at the same time.) All the buffs are deleted apart from the XP buff.
Subzero's Feedback: Let all Clanmates summon Avatars using the pet interface. Clans have a maximum of three Avatars to share. Avatars are treated like a familiar, as they currently are (i.e. you cannot summon a Yak and an Avatar at the same time.) Keep all the buffs, and improve the rubbish ones.
I agree it would be fair to allow Clans to limit which ranks can summon the Avatar using the pet interface if there were only three Avatars max. Personally however this wouldn't affect Incursione regardless as we already let everyone in the clan summon one of our three Avatars.
Subzero
Incursione 2100+/130+ Clan, Avatar access for all.
21-Jan-2017 22:48:16 - Last edited on 21-Jan-2017 23:06:41 by Subzero
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