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Lisaa
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So our clan has this allowance where former clanmates are welcome to continue to guest in our chat to keep in touch better with everyone.

There's an individual that does this who went on to create his own clan. Earlier this evening, our clan's administration found out that this guesting individual has been trying to entice a clan member into joining his clan, although our clan member refused. We're worried that this is attempted poaching and that the guest will try to convince other members to join his clan in the future as well. Unfortunately, this guest is very well known in our clan, and banning him would likely cause a lot of drama and make people leave.

Does anyone have advice? Do you think this was an isolated invite? Should we take immediate action? @Lisaa_RS - Followed by @Runescape
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21-Feb-2016 23:42:15 - Last edited on 21-Feb-2016 23:42:41 by Lisaa

Esploratore
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If they are doing their recruiting in chat, it's better to ban them now and deal with the fall out. You may end up losing more members if you allow them easy access to recruit there than you will from any drama the ban causes. Be clear that such behavior won't be tolerated.

They chose to leave. You're under no obligation to let them guest if they're just using the access to poach members.

21-Feb-2016 23:58:52

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If it came down to banning, I bet most other clan members would probably understand if they knew that there was good reason behind the ban.

If it's only been the one time so far though, just letting them know that attempting to recruit others to a different clan isn't something that'd be tolerated might prevent it from happening again, too.

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22-Feb-2016 00:24:37 - Last edited on 22-Feb-2016 00:29:10 by Erehk

Electric
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Lisaa said :
So our clan has this allowance where former clanmates are welcome to continue to guest in our chat to keep in touch better with everyone.

There's your problem.

People who leave the clan naturally (or should, at least) move on. There's no purpose in guesting your old clan again, especially when you've made your own. This suggests he still hasn't moved on, when he was the one who chose to leave, and it's very likely he'll continue to seize opportunities to try and poach for his clan.

Talk to him and let him know that if he wants to continue to guest, attempting to recruit your clan members is not tolerated, and shouldn't be done again. If he doesn't take it well and argues about it, ban, and if he understands then you'll need to watch him and his clan list and ban if caught doing so.

If banned, your clan members would understand that he was poaching members (or attempting to do so) and talked to and warned about it, which makes it completely justifiable. If they aren't prepared to respect/trust the leaders' decisions, or are prepared to leave over a person (who isn't even a clan member), then they're not worth having and keeping and you're much better off without them.
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22-Feb-2016 00:54:55

Sicariu
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Unfortunately, I am very familiar with the situation your clan is dealing with. Over the last 2-3 years, we had 5 instances of high ranking members from my clan leaving (and taking 20-30 people with them) in an attempt to form a new clan and take more members from us.

My best advice would be to ban those players who are attempting to recruit your members. If they're stealing from your clan, you should rethink allowing them to guest in the Chat.

In time, the drama will settle and people will move on. The sooner you take action against them, the easier it will be to cut them off now before more damage can be done to your clan. ~ Sicariu
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22-Feb-2016 02:05:28

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22-Feb-2016 02:56:03

Trewavas
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Esploratore said :
If they are doing their recruiting in chat, it's better to ban them now and deal with the fall out. You may end up losing more members if you allow them easy access to recruit there than you will from any drama the ban causes. Be clear that such behavior won't be tolerated.

They chose to leave. You're under no obligation to let them guest if they're just using the access to poach members.

My thoughts exactly. In my opinion, you need to act sooner rather than later. Whilst it is nice having old faces back, they really should move on and focus on their goals and clan. Guests are simply that, and must abide by your rules and standards at all times. If you don't act, a possible trickle could turn into a flood.

This is not to say members leaving is a bad thing, my clan for example is allied to the clans of ex-members, largely due to us being on good times, and the fact that the member in question left and took nobody with him. This has been great for hosting events, and simply guesting in each others chats.

However, the clan ban list is there to be utilised, just like your ignore list. Whilst it may be harsh, poaching is pretty vile imo, and is something I will always clamp down on, heck, I have entire leadership teams of several clans banned because of it.

Banning will always create a little drama, maybe a few wise cracks. This will die down as time goes on. Best to do it now before it's too late.

22-Feb-2016 03:11:18

Macka
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Lisaa said :
So our clan has this allowance where former clanmates are welcome to continue to guest in our chat to keep in touch better with everyone.
You will certainly need to have some procedures in place that determine an ally guest or an old ghost to haunt you.

Esploratore said :
This is not to say members leaving is a bad thing, my clan for example is allied to the clans of ex-members, largely due to us being on good times, and the fact that the member in question left and took nobody with him. This has been great for hosting events, and simply guesting in each others chats.

However, the clan ban list is there to be utilised, just like your ignore list. Whilst it may be harsh, poaching is pretty vile imo, and is something I will always clamp down on, heck, I have entire leadership teams of several clans banned because of it.

Banning will always create a little drama, maybe a few wise cracks. This will die down as time goes on. Best to do it now before it's too late.
Some may leave on bad terms and others due to other commitments and loyalties, it really depends on the situation.

Through my personal experience I left the drama and I had no intentions on coming back, why would I want to go back to drama? I was banned and so were my friends whom also did not want to return and then accused of poaching, however you must understand people do leave on their own and my friends wanted to follow me. I have moved on however the hateful clan had stalked me and my friends as they see us as a threat (which is quite amusing as we don't want anything to do with them).

Moral of the story is some may not even require a ban as you will only show hate and spite if you do, this will be forever on your clan's image.

If you do indeed have solid proof, I agree totally with Sicariu and Im Burnable. It is entirely up to you with how you use bans. I would have a discussion with your admins on this as well.
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22-Feb-2016 05:19:43 - Last edited on 22-Feb-2016 05:27:28 by Macka

Macka
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All comes down to filtering the bad from the good guests, be careful with that and put in a process for your clan to follow. It is a rare situation but of course you will get haters.

I would also create an internal clan ban list with records of such evidence so all your admins are aware of to keep a look out for particular similarities in activity.

If you wish to keep it hush hush from your regular clan members you could possibly show your clan patriotism activities perhaps to increase the clan friendship bond. Needless to say it will show who is loyal and who is not. So long as your foundation of members is there and are all on the same knowledge of the situation then they will protect your clan.

It may eventually die down but hang in there.
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22-Feb-2016 05:24:22 - Last edited on 22-Feb-2016 05:28:23 by Macka

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