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Sicariu
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Warlock said :
I've never understood why so many people on here seem to have so much of an issue with 'poaching'.

Clan membership is (or should be) an optional thing to develop friendships and build communities - if someone is happy in a clan, they're not going to leave because an ex-member suggests it.

If they do leave, then either they're clearly not getting what they want from being part of your clan, and it's better for both of you.

It strikes me as akin to trying to prohibit your partner from socialising without you "in case they leave you for someone else" - trust is a fundamental cornerstone of any successful relationship, and clans are just the same.

If having a high membership count is more important to you than your members actually wanting to stay in your clan, perhaps you should be asking yourself why you made a clan in the first place.

Being a clan leader who has dealt with this issue numerous times, I can say from my experience that the clans who poached our members did so in an effort to "destroy" our clan. Their motives were to harass our members and crash them at every boss until they left us to join their new clans. And in some cases, we learned that some were paid to leave. These were not under the normal circumstances of leaving a clan in order to join one that you felt suited you better, which I find completely understandable.

Each time that this happened to us, we lost a total of 20-30 members on average who either left out of fear, or were power-hungry for Admin ranks in a newly formed clan. Nearly all of them ended up quitting RS when the clans died, and each one lasted between 4-6 months.

Eventually, they would give up, as our member base is quite large, so our anti-crashes were very successful.

These situations cannot easily be understood without having been through them, but it's certainly not something I want to see happen to us again.
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26-Feb-2016 19:23:24

Chunksofplum
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Warlock said :
I've never understood why so many people on here seem to have so much of an issue with 'poaching'.

Clan membership is (or should be) an optional thing to develop friendships and build communities - if someone is happy in a clan, they're not going to leave because an ex-member suggests it.


A lot of the time Ive seen people poaching its done as deliberate attempt to derail a successful clan, its done when they know high ranks aren't on or its done through pm to try be sneaky

We have had high rank members break away and pm members offering them a higher rank in their clan and no work so, for example, you will get organizer rank and you wont have to do the jobs your current clan ask you to do. or another thing Ive seen is offering the best clan in the world, they will do pvm every day and give free money to the members, when i reality its a scam to get the gullible members in.

I think at the time there intentions was to get a "good" member over with them and make our clan a good member down but in reality no one left to join them except the trouble makers that we where glad to see the back of

Instead what their action did was cause animosity, and i think that's the problem, and ex clan member was once a trusted member of your clan has then back stabbed you but expects to use your clans events for example because its a perk of guesting in that cc or expects to be welcome in the cc

Someone else said it here, its not against the rules but its morally wrong and if you once had a moral tie to that clan i think that makes it even worse

It is however as you state your members free choice to stay or go, but i think its more the poacher than the poachee that's the problem

26-Feb-2016 19:35:11 - Last edited on 26-Feb-2016 19:39:46 by Chunksofplum

Dave Mercer
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Don't forgot people every day your clan members are being seduced by outsiders. Those who think your clan is good will stay. Those who leave think your clans bad. Although this can be to their needs.

Normally I would fully expect a member of mine to bring a member with him i.e. their good friend. Which is completely fair enough and is not poaching. I've left clans in past and my good friends followed me which was completely their choice.
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26-Feb-2016 21:55:43

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Warlock said :
I've never understood why so many people on here seem to have so much of an issue with 'poaching'.

Clan membership is (or should be) an optional thing to develop friendships and build communities - if someone is happy in a clan, they're not going to leave because an ex-member suggests it.

If they do leave, then either they're clearly not getting what they want from being part of your clan, and it's better for both of you.

It strikes me as akin to trying to prohibit your partner from socialising without you "in case they leave you for someone else" - trust is a fundamental cornerstone of any successful relationship, and clans are just the same.

If having a high membership count is more important to you than your members actually wanting to stay in your clan, perhaps you should be asking yourself why you made a clan in the first place.
I get that you had a moment & thought you'd stumbled into some clarity, but it's based on an assumption that nobody here has brought up.

I haven't seen a single person here say they have a problem with this.
It isn't a revelation for any leaders here that if your clan is good ppl will stay.
For most of us it goes even further, I don't think any of us want people in our clan if they don't want to be there.

So you've come at this from the wrong direction.


I'd ask you why you don't advertise for others to come into your cc & recruit?
That would be silly wouldn't it.

I'd ask you what you'd say to someone who came into your cc & asked if they could use it to recruit?
If your answer would be "GO ahead!!!", then you've earned your position up there on that high horse .
If the answer would be "Lolz no", then get back down here with the rest of us ;)
I say that with love coz I think part of you knew you were really tackling a separate issue there <3


Nice work Lisaa :)

Glad you could resolve it without banning, & that you'll ban at the next misuse of your clan chat.
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27-Feb-2016 03:37:31 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2016 03:43:35 by CuddleBucket

Scret
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Warlock said :
I've never understood why so many people on here seem to have so much of an issue with 'poaching'.

Clan membership is (or should be) an optional thing to develop friendships and build communities - if someone is happy in a clan, they're not going to leave because an ex-member suggests it.

If they do leave, then either they're clearly not getting what they want from being part of your clan, and it's better for both of you.

It strikes me as akin to trying to prohibit your partner from socialising without you "in case they leave you for someone else" - trust is a fundamental cornerstone of any successful relationship, and clans are just the same.

If having a high membership count is more important to you than your members actually wanting to stay in your clan, perhaps you should be asking yourself why you made a clan in the first place.


Because its always done with lies and deception and with intent to cause drama and a divide.

Most cases of poaching the player who has left believe and are fed lies, which is why most of these off shoot clans dissolve after only a few months.
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27-Feb-2016 13:41:38 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2016 13:44:54 by Scret

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Banning a guest won't solve the problem. The perpetrators just resort to PM instead. Banning will make him appear to be the victim when he does the PMs.

"Oh your terrible, cruel Owner has banned me from using your chat! These people are just mean, just tyrants. Come to my clan instead. Come to freedom from this oppression. Wah wah wah . . . "

Suggest that you instead remind the clan of the attempts by this individual. Remind them of all the friends they have here who will be hurt if this guy successfully siphons off people one at a time. Take care tho not to demonize the offender in order that it won't backfire, making you seem unfriendly and resentful of his leaving

27-Feb-2016 14:26:19

Gusat
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Warlock said :

It strikes me as akin to trying to prohibit your partner from socialising without you "in case they leave you for someone else" - trust is a fundamental cornerstone of any successful relationship, and clans are just the same.



I agree with this, which is why my clan doesn't have any rules forbidding members to guest in other clans, but going with your metaphor, wouldn't you get mad at a guy/girl for hitting on your partner while he/she knows they are with you? That's exactly what's happening.

The issue with poaching isn't on the side of the member currently in your clan, and as others have said they are often told lies and false promises in their poaching attempts, but on the clan owners who are trying to take clan members away.

Would you allow someone to hit on your partner?
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27-Feb-2016 16:39:54

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My 2 cents. If I can get your clan name, I can pull a memberlist.
If I have the memberlist, I can poach your clan members if I want. (I have never poached.)

Accept the fact that former clan members, whether they openly poach, secretly poach, or don't poach, may cause others to leave to join another clan. Any control you exercise over the cc is an illusion, unless they are being disruptive and then you put an end to that.

Spend your time making your clan great, and people won't want to leave.
Talk to the person and ask them politely to cool it. But the cc won't change the outcome if the person is well liked. Nor will that person have much success if they are not well liked.

29-Feb-2016 18:35:29

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