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We had been through this before. We knew that even if 30 people left the Clan, most likely at least 20 of them would eventually return. We knew that if somehow this New Clan didn't collapse in the next couple of weeks, they would become a haven for anyone who left us for the next couple of years. And there would be war!
Did we want them to return? After the snowstorm had settled and the waters had calmed, would it be so bad to have them back? Would we be better joined once again together in harmony or would that be a recipe for disaster that would harm us even worse in the future? We could forgive them for what they had done, but we could never forget their betrayal.
In order to prevent friendships from being broken, we opened our doors to Guests. We had lost a few of our closest friends to this New Clan, yet we refused to let them go. They were our Friends as well! Split between Clans, some Friends decided to become Clanless while others jumped to another Clan without this drama. The snowball kept growing and growing.
Exhausted from trying to keep things in order and emotional from all the support received, I wondered why did this all need to happen? Had things built for so long until we had reached this point? Could I have done something to prevent it? And why was I so happy that it had happened? Was I relieved to be detached from those who left or was I inspired by those who came to support me?
A new chapter in our history had now begun. We began rebuilding after the snowstorm.
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I open this thread requesting thoughts and advice. I'm sure we all have had our shares of similar stories. Please be cautious not to name nor shame anyone with your reply should you decide to leave one.
Did we want them to return? After the snowstorm had settled and the waters had calmed, would it be so bad to have them back? Would we be better joined once again together in harmony or would that be a recipe for disaster that would harm us even worse in the future? We could forgive them for what they had done, but we could never forget their betrayal.
In order to prevent friendships from being broken, we opened our doors to Guests. We had lost a few of our closest friends to this New Clan, yet we refused to let them go. They were our Friends as well! Split between Clans, some Friends decided to become Clanless while others jumped to another Clan without this drama. The snowball kept growing and growing.
Exhausted from trying to keep things in order and emotional from all the support received, I wondered why did this all need to happen? Had things built for so long until we had reached this point? Could I have done something to prevent it? And why was I so happy that it had happened? Was I relieved to be detached from those who left or was I inspired by those who came to support me?
A new chapter in our history had now begun. We began rebuilding after the snowstorm.
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I open this thread requesting thoughts and advice. I'm sure we all have had our shares of similar stories. Please be cautious not to name nor shame anyone with your reply should you decide to leave one.
07-Aug-2016 20:11:29
This was a really interesting read
you could easily be a writer really! I know based off a true story but would make a great narrative if you choose to write a book about your clans history
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Onto your question though, I have been a clan leader for a good many years and my clan has also faced similar splits in the past, sometimes you just don't know what way a group of people will swing, but as a clan leader you really have to be prepared for anything. It's sad how players can just leave to another clan or make a new one and convince others to follow them, especially when it's your close friends and senior ranks that you thought would stick by you. You start thinking were those people really who you really thought they were, and betrayal like that really does hurt.
The way I see it, it's not a straightforward issue and it's hard to brand people as "traitors" or similar because you never may know what's going on in the background. Maybe those players that left are very close, or maybe they just want to do their own thing or maybe they didn't feel welcome in the clan anymore.
I guess this is a question many people have been asking themselves for years, back in the days of kingdoms and even today in politics and business people can swing from one side to the other and you would never have seen it coming. To a extent sometimes it's just being very persuasive, using the age old trick of convincing players why it's better to be in a particular clan. If the players who have split with you have a very convincing argument that the grass is greener on the other side, it's only natural for people to want to go to greener pastures.
My best advice would be to figure out why players are leaving for the new clan and find out if there are any misconceptions to see if you can clear them up, using a bit of persuasion helps and making any wrongs into rights. At the end of the day you just have to be strong and work with what you have. A Jagex Verfied Community Helper
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you could easily be a writer really! I know based off a true story but would make a great narrative if you choose to write a book about your clans history
.
Onto your question though, I have been a clan leader for a good many years and my clan has also faced similar splits in the past, sometimes you just don't know what way a group of people will swing, but as a clan leader you really have to be prepared for anything. It's sad how players can just leave to another clan or make a new one and convince others to follow them, especially when it's your close friends and senior ranks that you thought would stick by you. You start thinking were those people really who you really thought they were, and betrayal like that really does hurt.
The way I see it, it's not a straightforward issue and it's hard to brand people as "traitors" or similar because you never may know what's going on in the background. Maybe those players that left are very close, or maybe they just want to do their own thing or maybe they didn't feel welcome in the clan anymore.
I guess this is a question many people have been asking themselves for years, back in the days of kingdoms and even today in politics and business people can swing from one side to the other and you would never have seen it coming. To a extent sometimes it's just being very persuasive, using the age old trick of convincing players why it's better to be in a particular clan. If the players who have split with you have a very convincing argument that the grass is greener on the other side, it's only natural for people to want to go to greener pastures.
My best advice would be to figure out why players are leaving for the new clan and find out if there are any misconceptions to see if you can clear them up, using a bit of persuasion helps and making any wrongs into rights. At the end of the day you just have to be strong and work with what you have. A Jagex Verfied Community Helper
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07-Aug-2016 20:32:19
You should however acknowledge the players that are still their with you because this means they value your current clan more then any other clan and are truly loyal, so do make sure you tell them that you appreciate them for that
. Another thing you should do is be open with the clan if you haven't been about what's going on, so let them know that xyz has left and made another clan and is now trying to persuade current ranks to join them.
If you give them a heads up they will be more likely to be less surprised and also be prepared if someone does message them to swap over. Telling your clan members about the situation may also lead you to learning more on what's being said which is getting clan members to leave and if there are any misconceptions you can clear them up with the players, I know I had a few when similar things happened with my clan.
Running a clan isn't easy and new clans do find it hard to start up, sometimes players may leave with the intention of coming back if that clan doesn't go well so that's a possibility too but that won't always be the case, so really in that sense it can be a bit of a waiting game.
Personally I am sure you will be fine, use this time to reflect on things which may have caused this issue to happen in the first place and make arrangements and changes so it won't happen again. Things like this will happen and it's not just clans that it happens in, but we just have to keep strong, talk with the people we are close with and keep going forward
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. Another thing you should do is be open with the clan if you haven't been about what's going on, so let them know that xyz has left and made another clan and is now trying to persuade current ranks to join them.
If you give them a heads up they will be more likely to be less surprised and also be prepared if someone does message them to swap over. Telling your clan members about the situation may also lead you to learning more on what's being said which is getting clan members to leave and if there are any misconceptions you can clear them up with the players, I know I had a few when similar things happened with my clan.
Running a clan isn't easy and new clans do find it hard to start up, sometimes players may leave with the intention of coming back if that clan doesn't go well so that's a possibility too but that won't always be the case, so really in that sense it can be a bit of a waiting game.
Personally I am sure you will be fine, use this time to reflect on things which may have caused this issue to happen in the first place and make arrangements and changes so it won't happen again. Things like this will happen and it's not just clans that it happens in, but we just have to keep strong, talk with the people we are close with and keep going forward
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07-Aug-2016 20:44:15
L0NE DRUID
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This was a really interesting read
you could easily be a writer really! I know based off a true story but would make a great narrative if you choose to write a book about your clans history
Lol I was just venting. But yeah reading it again, it looks like part of an unfinished story. I guess we'll have to see where the story takes us and perhaps one day I'll publish a small novel.
L0NE DRUID said :
My best advice would be to figure out why players are leaving for the new clan and find out if there are any misconceptions to see if you can clear them up
Things are weird. Had a lot of people return that had left or had been banned because of some of the people who left. And this is why I understand we all can't be on the same Clan.
A lot of the people who left were also new, so I ended up deleting them from my friends list instead of trying to convince them to come back because I'm trying to respect their friendships and whatnot. Being the better person sucks.
Lisaa said :
after [what] they had done to try to tear our clan down, they were never going to be allowed back.
I try very hard to " forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing". I often say I don't believe in permanent bans because it makes no sense to be forever mad at someone. All that hate just brings on more negativity, so I figure 1 month per infraction is plenty to let things cool off until we stop caring.
But do I want them back is the question I keep asking myself.
Seer of War said :
if they wanted to be a part of the clan they wouldn't have left or they will rejoin someday as a member.
We get into this argument a lot with people who threaten to leave or constantly leave and rejoin. At what point does one say, "Enough is enough; you aren't allowed to come back"?
This was a really interesting read
you could easily be a writer really! I know based off a true story but would make a great narrative if you choose to write a book about your clans history
Lol I was just venting. But yeah reading it again, it looks like part of an unfinished story. I guess we'll have to see where the story takes us and perhaps one day I'll publish a small novel.
L0NE DRUID said :
My best advice would be to figure out why players are leaving for the new clan and find out if there are any misconceptions to see if you can clear them up
Things are weird. Had a lot of people return that had left or had been banned because of some of the people who left. And this is why I understand we all can't be on the same Clan.
A lot of the people who left were also new, so I ended up deleting them from my friends list instead of trying to convince them to come back because I'm trying to respect their friendships and whatnot. Being the better person sucks.
Lisaa said :
after [what] they had done to try to tear our clan down, they were never going to be allowed back.
I try very hard to " forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing". I often say I don't believe in permanent bans because it makes no sense to be forever mad at someone. All that hate just brings on more negativity, so I figure 1 month per infraction is plenty to let things cool off until we stop caring.
But do I want them back is the question I keep asking myself.
Seer of War said :
if they wanted to be a part of the clan they wouldn't have left or they will rejoin someday as a member.
We get into this argument a lot with people who threaten to leave or constantly leave and rejoin. At what point does one say, "Enough is enough; you aren't allowed to come back"?
10-Aug-2016 14:13:58
Pescao6
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I try very hard to " forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing". I often say I don't believe in permanent bans because it makes no sense to be forever mad at someone. All that hate just brings on more negativity, so I figure 1 month per infraction is plenty to let things cool off until we stop caring.
But do I want them back is the question I keep asking myself.
I think that the point we're at right now, is that we're not "forever mad" at these people, but on the other hand we want absolutely nothing to do with them, and don't want them to contact us either. If they could do that, it'd just perpetuate the hate and negativity.
We don't hate them, but we'll have nothing to do with them. @Lisaa_RS - Followed by @Runescape
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I try very hard to " forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing". I often say I don't believe in permanent bans because it makes no sense to be forever mad at someone. All that hate just brings on more negativity, so I figure 1 month per infraction is plenty to let things cool off until we stop caring.
But do I want them back is the question I keep asking myself.
I think that the point we're at right now, is that we're not "forever mad" at these people, but on the other hand we want absolutely nothing to do with them, and don't want them to contact us either. If they could do that, it'd just perpetuate the hate and negativity.
We don't hate them, but we'll have nothing to do with them. @Lisaa_RS - Followed by @Runescape
FashionScapers - a 9000+ Member Discord Community | https://discord.gg/fashionscape
10-Aug-2016 23:28:36
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