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Mod Maz

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Me7 said :
oh i not sure what this was escalated yet, but i would like to see rank based ability to gather avies - we have weekly head burn when someone keeps gathering avi, while we would like it be only deputy owner rank.
So my view - admins can get avies out - cit only avi capping set rank.

I'm not sure what you mean by a rank based ability to gather avatars. If you mean summon, then that has to stay as a per person ability. Mod Maz
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06-Mar-2014 07:36:12

Mod Maz

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Pescao6 said :

2. Citadel Names
^ If this was added, we would need a permission of who can change the Citadel Name; we'd be ok with predefined names like on player owned ports.

Also I'd like to ask:
Will this update allow us to give our Non-Admin Clanmates the ability to set skill plot locks and set gathering goals?

Citadel naming is outside the scope of this project.

Because setting skill plot locks means editing the clan data, only admin+ can do it. This is an engine limitation. Mod Maz
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06-Mar-2014 07:37:19

Pescao6
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Mod Maz said :
Because setting skill plot locks means editing the clan data, only admin+ can do it. This is an engine limitation.
But why is that? Couldn't you make the current Non-Admin inherit their permissions from the same object as the Admin+ so that we wouldn't have this nor any other limitation? Isn't this the same problem we are currently having with the Avatar Warden job being only Admin+ accessible?

'Cause here is how I think of Citadel:
- It's not supposed to be the Sky Castle of Lord Owner of the Clan; it's the home base of the Clan meaning our Clanmates should have the ability to take care of it and enjoy all of the benefits it brings given they are the ones who help to build up the Citadel. Because I can't grant my Clanmates the tools they require to take responsibility of their Citadel nor the benefit of summoning the Avatar of the Citadel they upkeep, I'm unable to use the Member ranks in my Clan if I wish to continue providing equality for my Members.

I had hopes that the permission rewrite would allow me to do so, but so far it only seems like I'll be able to grant my Clanmates with the ability to summon the Avatars and... well Citadel Management appears like it's going to stay an Admin+ feature. This doesn't seem like progress towards granting Clan Leaders the ability to costumize their own Clans as they see fit; i looks like another band-aid that suits only some Clans.
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06-Mar-2014 08:30:52

Mod Maz

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Pescao6, I have addressed this issue on multiple occasions. There is one core fact. Clan settings data can only be changed by admin+ ranks. This is a hard coded limitation in the engine. If engine were to change this (which is highly unlikely), I then have to recode most of clans. This is well beyond the scope of this project and not something that was ever on the cards. Mod Maz
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06-Mar-2014 10:44:47

Pescao6
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Mod Maz said :
Pescao6, I have addressed this issue on multiple occasions. There is one core fact. Clan settings data can only be changed by admin+ ranks. This is a hard coded limitation in the engine. If engine were to change this (which is highly unlikely), I then have to recode most of clans. This is well beyond the scope of this project and not something that was ever on the cards.
That made more sense when you rephrased it like that. Before you said "editing" which I understood as a reference to modifying something that exists already, but now you used the word "change" which could also mean "add" and "delete". So thanks for replying. :P

And not that it matters for this project, but I guess that also means that if Citadel Names were added later on, only Admins+ would be able to change it if I understood your previous reply correctly.

That said, I noticed on the Draft for the Permissions Rewrite that you put some gray borders for the checkboxes that have the limitation you're referring to along with those that cannot be edited. I know that's just a draft and we don't really know what it's going to look like until you actually finish the project, but I'd like to suggest that the limited admin+ permissions be filled with a gray box or better yet don't show the checkbox at all if the permission can never be enabled. (eg.
http://i.imgur.com/L2MCNsB.png
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06-Mar-2014 21:45:20

Cadge Lewool

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Mod Maz said :
Me7 said :
oh i not sure what this was escalated yet, but i would like to see rank based ability to gather avies - we have weekly head burn when someone keeps gathering avi, while we would like it be only deputy owner rank.
So my view - admins can get avies out - cit only avi capping set rank.

I'm not sure what you mean by a rank based ability to gather avatars. If you mean summon, then that has to stay as a per person ability.

She means that Anyone that's an Avatar Warden can have the Avatars cap on 2700 resources (or whatever the resource cap is for their clan). We've had this issue in the past because we'd only want our Citadel Team members to be able to do this. We tend to save the avatar's resource cap for later in the week to gather for things that haven't met upkeep. If someone randomly has it gather 2700 charcoal so that they can smith, we won't know who did it and it could cause issues later in the week. =/

06-Mar-2014 23:00:30 - Last edited on 06-Mar-2014 23:09:50 by Cadge Lewool

Mod Maz

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Cadge Lewool said :
Mod Maz said :
Me7 said :
oh i not sure what this was escalated yet, but i would like to see rank based ability to gather avies - we have weekly head burn when someone keeps gathering avi, while we would like it be only deputy owner rank.
So my view - admins can get avies out - cit only avi capping set rank.

I'm not sure what you mean by a rank based ability to gather avatars. If you mean summon, then that has to stay as a per person ability.

She means that Anyone that's an Avatar Warden can have the Avatars cap on 2700 resources (or whatever the resource cap is for their clan). We've had this issue in the past because we'd only want our Citadel Team members to be able to do this. We tend to save the avatar's resource cap for later in the week to gather for things that haven't met upkeep. If someone randomly has it gather 2700 charcoal so that they can smith, we won't know who did it and it could cause issues later in the week. =/

Ahhh... this makes more sense. Apologies for my misunderstanding. I think I could put a permission in for that, yes. Mod Maz
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07-Mar-2014 07:35:45

Mr Eoki

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@ Rank permission,


Personally, I'd love to be able to lower the Clan Avatar permission to a rank I can select. I'd love to set it for Lieutenant-rank so we can benefit more from the Avatar as it's not always possible for an admin+ to be online and summon it for the others.

For the ones who don't wanna lower it, they can still select it for admin+ and nothing changes for them. It just allows the ones who do want it.

IF
this is possible for the clan data..

@ Clan Menu,


Maybe add an interface to mute players inside the Clan Chat, a player based checkbox. Could have the same interface as "Ban" with
1.
6-hours mute
2.
12-hours mute
3.
24-hours mute
4.
Unlimited mute

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07-Mar-2014 12:12:13 - Last edited on 07-Mar-2014 12:28:19 by Mr Eoki

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